6:28 2K

[bloomp]

I take a small exception to him (Ranger) coming on here and telling the world that my WR is very poor and weak. And how he will destroy it within weeks if not days etc etc. Then making all kinds of excuses for not doing so, whilst still saying the Record is pathetic.

I think the best thing for him to have done would be to have broken the record then told everyone how crap it was. And I probably would have agreed with him if he had done that.

Hey, Drysdale and Waddell settled it on the water. That's the way it has to be in an objective sport like this, especially indoors. Will you be at WIRC, Roy?

Paul

[ranger]

I take a small exception to him (Ranger) coming on here and telling the world that my WR is very poor and weak. And how he will destroy it within weeks if not days etc etc. Then making all kinds of excuses for not doing so, whilst still saying the Record is pathetic.

I think the best thing for him to have done would be to have broken the record then told everyone how crap it was. And I probably would have agreed with him if he had done that.

Roy--

The weakness in your 6:38 55s lwt WR is not just a personal judgment.

It is objective.

The 55s lwt WR is new standard in an age and weight division with very scant participation; therefore, it has a short history and has received few challenges.

The 50s lwt WR is 6:25; the 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

The midpoint between these is 6:33.5, not 6:38.

This isn't the end of it, though.

I assume that Paul Siebach will pull sub-6:30 when he is 55.

Anything slower, I think is highly unlikely; something faster is highly possible.

So the clock is ticking.

On the other hand, I don't think that it is at all impossible for you to respond to this challenge, as I have over the last 7 years.

To fend off challenges, you just need to reinvest in your training, overcome your weaknesses, and improve, somewhere in the range of 10-20 seconds over 2K.

Such reinvestment in your training takes time, so I would get after it soon, if you are interested.

As I have mentioned, I don't think you can overcome your weaknesses without learning to row OTW.

ranger

[ranger]

It's probably time to start integrating some faster rowing into my sessions, just to get ready for sharpening.

It looks like I can pull quite a bit harder if I shorten the distance.

1:34 @ 34 spm (12.4 SPI) feels fine for race pace intervals: 1', 500, 1K, etc.

If I start this faster work now but cap it at race pace, not pushing it very hard, still concentrating on my distance work, I should be ready to give it the gun around New Years and start preparing to race with maximal sharpening.

ranger

[ranger]

12.4 SPI?

Hmm.

Rowing (pretty) well!



At WIRC 2009, both the gold and silver rows in the 55s lwts were done at 9.5 SPI.

ranger

[ranger]

Hey, Drysdale and Waddell settled it on the water. That's the way it has to be in an objective sport like this, especially indoors. Will you be at WIRC, Roy?

Two old men clunkin' up and down a rail on a couple of machiines is not at all the same as two young bucks churnin' away at their oars and knifing down a course, water flyin', but, sure, let's settle it at WIRC 2010.

It will be the first time that I have been fully trained since 2003, and I know that Roy is in great shape, too, and will be ready.

My weight is also great this year.

I have been at weight since September, have a nice cross-training routine in place, and should have no problems making weight at all of the race venues in the winter racing season, including WIRC.

ranger

[ranger]

This morning: 90miin erg, 90 min bike (22.8 MPH)

ranger

[ranger]

I take a small exception to him (Ranger) coming on here and telling the world that my WR is very poor and weak. And how he will destroy it within weeks if not days etc etc. Then making all kinds of excuses for not doing so, whilst still saying the Record is pathetic.

I think the best thing for him to have done would be to have broken the record then told everyone how crap it was. And I probably would have agreed with him if he had done that.

Since you are now approaching 60, I think your challenge this year will be to come within 10 seconds of the hammer row in the 55s lwts at WIRC 2010.

Most 55s rowers decline by as much as 2-3 seconds per year, and the WR you pulled when you were 55 is soft to being with.

Then, as I have just mentioned, if you want to defend your WR for posterity against the likes of Paul Siebach, when he is 55, you will probably have to row 20 seconds better than you might, given projections now.

And then, if things go well with my training, and I actually get to WIRC without getting lost in a snowdrift, to win, I think you will have to row in the range of 30 seconds better than you might, given what you have been doing.

Good luck with it.

ranger

[paul s]

Six posts by Ranger. Is there a record for the most posts in a row by a single poster?

Paul S

[bloomp]

Hey, Drysdale and Waddell settled it on the water. That's the way it has to be in an objective sport like this, especially indoors. Will you be at WIRC, Roy?

Two old men clunkin' up and down a rail on a couple of machiines is not at all the same as two young bucks churnin' away at their oars and knifing down a course, water flyin', but, sure, let's settle it at WIRC 2010.

Wrong - two men (I leave out old because mid-late 50s isn't really that old) on the machines is far more accurate and comparable than a singles race. In fact, the whole reason there is no serious 'world record' talk for OTW races is the fact that races will never be comparable. Ever. Even a slight difference in current between lanes, or wind, etc can never be fully duplicated.

Regardless of how my race goes, I can't wait to be in Boston for this. Hell, they could make a whole reality TV show with all this drama! How sweet would that be!

Paul

[ranger]

mid-late 50s isn't really that old

Talk to you about it when you are almost 60.




If you row 7:00 for 2K now, the prediction is that you'll row about 7:40 for 2K when you are close to 60.

It's a long slide--

down.

ranger

[ranger]

Regardless of how my race goes, I can't wait to be in Boston for this. Hell, they could make a whole reality TV show with all this drama! How sweet would that be!

There was _much_ more drama before this race.

I was told by everyone in town--for an entire year--that Dennis was so good and so experienced and I was so sketchy and so inexperienced that I couldn't hold Dennis' zipper while he took a piss.

Hmm.

He got wasted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkINV4ODahE

Then things got quite a bit worse yet.

Standings for the next season turned out this way.

Dennis started to get worse; I continued to get better.

RANKING RESULTS 2004

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2004 Season

1 Rich Cureton 52 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:28.0 RACE
2 Chris Bertram 51 Old Windsor GBR 6:37.7 RACE
3 Dennis Hastings 53 USA 6:39.5 RACE
4 Roger Prowse 58 Isle of Wight GBR 6:43.3 RACE
5 Taisto Ylönen 50 Kellokoski Finland GBR 6:44.8 RACE
5 Peter ENGLISH 50 GBR 6:44.8 RACE
7 Bob Lisle 52 GBR 6:47.1 RACE
8 Alain Mangin 54 GBR 6:47.5 RACE
9 Aage Christiansen 52 Oslo N NOR 6:53.2 RACE
10 George Meredith 54 gravesend Kent GBR 6:55.7 RACE

Now, Dennis is no longer rowing, but I am quite a bit better yet.

How much better?

About a dozen seconds over 2K, I think.

Why?

Between then and now, I learned to row well.

I now pull 12.5 SPI.

In the race you just saw, I pulled 10.5 SPI.

Wretched stuff, technically.

Back in 2003, I didn't know how to row.

ranger

[rjw]

Regardless of how my race goes, I can't wait to be in Boston for this. Hell, they could make a whole reality TV show with all this drama! How sweet would that be!

There was _much_ more drama before this race.

I was told by everyone in town--for an entire year--that Dennis was so good and so experienced and I was so sketchy and so inexperienced that I couldn't hold Dennis' zipper while he took a piss.

Hmm.

He got wasted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkINV4ODahE

Then things got quite a bit worse yet.

Standings for the next season turned out this way.

Dennis started to get worse; I continued to get better.

RANKING RESULTS 2004

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2004 Season

1 Rich Cureton 52 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:28.0 RACE
2 Chris Bertram 51 Old Windsor GBR 6:37.7 RACE
3 Dennis Hastings 53 USA 6:39.5 RACE
4 Roger Prowse 58 Isle of Wight GBR 6:43.3 RACE
5 Taisto Ylönen 50 Kellokoski Finland GBR 6:44.8 RACE
5 Peter ENGLISH 50 GBR 6:44.8 RACE
7 Bob Lisle 52 GBR 6:47.1 RACE
8 Alain Mangin 54 GBR 6:47.5 RACE
9 Aage Christiansen 52 Oslo N NOR 6:53.2 RACE
10 George Meredith 54 gravesend Kent GBR 6:55.7 RACE

Now, Dennis is no longer rowing, but I am quite a bit better yet.

How much better?

About a dozen seconds over 2K, I think.

Why?

Between then and now, I learned to row well.

I now pull 12.5 SPI.

In the race you just saw, I pulled 10.5 SPI.

Wretched stuff, technically.

Back in 2003, I didn't know how to row.

ranger

Rich - What is the point to this commentary? Move on.

I know - you are much better now than then etc. etc. but why bring up Dennis again?

Focus on yourself and leave other people out of your discussion because you have a hard time mentioning anyone else without the innuendo that you are "the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be".

The results speak for themselves and I think we are capable of making up our own minds,

[Rocket Roy]

The 50s lwt WR is 6:25; the 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

The midpoint between these is 6:33.5, not 6:38.


ranger

Yeah and the week before I set the WR I did a 6.34.7 at home on Ergmonitor so it's all saved and on record. Of course this counts for nowt, I know that.

When I set the WR although it hurt I did not go flat out as the Europeans were a week away so I wanted to save something for that. I set the WR as just a mark in the sand and because the commentator Jon Goodall asked me to have a go at it just before the start, otherwise I would have just rowed to win as I usually do.

[philrow]

Wrong - two men (I leave out old because mid-late 50s isn't really that old) on the machines is far more accurate and comparable than a singles race. In fact, the whole reason there is no serious 'world record' talk for OTW races is the fact that races will never be comparable. Ever. Even a slight difference in current between lanes, or wind, etc can never be fully duplicated.

Wrong - FISA monitors and verifies 'best times' on the water. Just because environmental factors exist does not mean that rows cannot be compared. There are similar variables on erg performances, as well. For a given ergo, the winner may be sandbagging a bit; for a given row, there may be a bad headwind. That doesn't mean both instances can't end up dealing with record times. Interestingly enough, Drysdale holds the best time for a 1x row set at Worlds in Poznán this year.

Although two people - and two old guys are indeed people, however physically and psychologically declining they may be in their decrepitude - doing an ergo head to head is a pretty good way to settle any dispute, I'd imagine.

And way to at least (not) pretend to try to help out with the 'let's play nice!' mindset, Rich.

[ranger]

eah and the week before I set the WR I did a 6.34.7 at home on Ergmonitor so it's all saved and on record. Of course this counts for nowt, I know that.

For those such as you and I, race venues are quite a different setting than at-home trials because of weigh-ins, timing of events, and so forth.

Your best lightweight time at a race venue is 6:38.

if nothing is fishy about your llightweight :6:34.7, then you should have repeated it, over and over at race venues.

But you tended to row something closer to 6:44 at race venues.

That's _very_ odd.

ranger