6:28 2K

[ranger]

A 2k at world record pace without training for it requires stupidity. And it was not at world record pace, even looking only at your age/weight. You were over 3s/500m away from your own PR. .

My PR (6:28) is 10 seconds under the 55s lwt WR (6:38).

Last year, I was 58 years old.

On the average, veterans slow down at 1.7 seconds a year.

So, my lwt 6:41 at 58 years old last year is the equivalent of 6:35.9 at 55 years old.

Since I didn't do any hard distance rowing or sharpening for it, my 6:41 last year was just an AT row.

Nice AT row, eh?

1:40 is AT for a 6:24 2K.

I get about a dozen seconds each from hard distance rowing and sharpening.

I am doing hard distance rowing now and will continue with it through December.

I will do full sharpening in January and February.

This year, I will be 59 years old for WIRC 2010.

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

I would like to be in and around my lwt pb (6:28) for my first 2K trial in early January.

Then I tend to get a couple of seconds a week over 2K during the couple of months I am sharpening and racing.

That should put me in and around my 2K goal of 6:16 by March.

This winter, it looks as though I will pull 12 SPI for 2K, as I did in Baltimore in 2006.

Nice.

12 SPI @ 32 spm is 6:28.

That's what I will shoot for in early January.

12 SPI @ 35 spm is 6:16.

That's what I will shoot for in March.

My foundational rowing is complete.

From now on, I will just do distance rowing and sharpening.

I now row well.

ranger

P.S. I have been at weight since September.

[ranger]

he's kinda creepy

Yep.

It will be "creepy" as hell to see a 60s lwt pull a 6:16 2K.

How will the sport react?

"Impossible" stuff.

How can a 60s lwt destroy the 40s lwt WR?

"Creepy"!

I know it is odd to say this on a training forum, where talk about training is out of place, but "creepy" as it seems, it might have something to do with how I've trained.



ranger

[kini62]

Creepy has to do with you personally. It has nothing do with wether or not you achievw your goals. Achieving your quite lofty goals would indeed be something and give credence to all your blustering. As for the creepy part, only those that know you in person seem to come to that observation. You aren't perhaps one of those old lecherous type profs that seat the pretty girls in front?

[PaulH]

Since I didn't do any hard distance rowing or sharpening for it, my 6:41 last year was just an AT row.

Nice AT row, eh?

No it wasn't. All humans are naturally able to exert themselves above their AT without training. You are, approximately, a human. Hence you are capable of rowing above your AT, whether you've trained to do it or not.

[ranger]

Since I didn't do any hard distance rowing or sharpening for it, my 6:41 last year was just an AT row.

Nice AT row, eh?

No it wasn't. All humans are naturally able to exert themselves above their AT without training. You are, approximately, a human. Hence you are capable of rowing above your AT, whether you've trained to do it or not.

Sure, you can try to do a severely anaerobic 2K without doing anything to bring your anaerobic capacities up to speed, but when you do, you don't get much work done anaerobically.

If you did, there would be no reason to do Level 1 and Level 2 workouts in training.

For many people in and around this forum, Level 1 and Level 2 workouts are the focus of almost _all_ of their training for a 2K.

In the summer of 2001, I did a 2K without any interval preparation and pulled 6:42.

Afteer a month of intervals, I pulled 6:32.

Aftrer another month of intervals, I pulled 6:27.5.

That's pretty normal, I would think.

You get about a dozen seconds over 2K from doing two months or so of hard AT, TR, and AN work to prepare for a 2K.

In the winter oF 2002-2003, I pulled 6:40 for 2K in early January, before doing interval work to prepare for Boston.

At WIRC 2003, after two months of interval work, I pulled 6:30.

Between the 6:40 in early January and the 6:30 in late February, I pulled 2Ks of 6:36 and 6:33 at race venues.

ranger

[hjs]

Since I didn't do any hard distance rowing or sharpening for it, my 6:41 last year was just an AT row.

Nice AT row, eh?

This is also a nice one, just an at row hahaha , one second shy off not losing he bet


Here are a few familiar lies.

Then you will have no problem sending Henry a check for $1000 unless you verify your weight as a lightweight in a manner suitable to Henry and post a sub 6:40 2K with verification code before the end of this month.

Indeed I will.
Just as he will have no problem sending me $3000 when I win both the bets.

Yea, time has run out.
Oh well.
Don't much feel like doing a 2K, given that I still haven't sharpened for one.
2Ks hurt pretty badly if you aren't ready for them.
Hey, hjs, any possibility of modifying our $1000 bet along the lines of our $3000 bet?
A time extension would be _greatly_ appreciated.
That might be a squarer deal, given my situation (unprepared!).
I need to get sharpened up if I want to be doing 2Ks without a lot of grief.
Training is coming along great--but slowly.
Too slowly, it appears.
One last cry for mercy!

I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer.
If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost.

[ranger]

The major difference between my training and racing over the last five years and my training and racing in 2001-2003 is that, until this fall, I haven't been doing hard distance rowing at moderate rates and a low stroking power, either, just foundational training at low rates and a high stroking power.

Back in 2001-2003, distance rowing was m,y normal mode of training.

I did it every day.

I think I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard distance rowing, too.

So that is what I am doing now (and will continue with over the next month or so).

After this distance training (and distance etrials), if I pull 6:28, I will be right about this.

Then I will be ready to sharepn.

ranger

[ranger]

It looks as though 1:48 @ 25 spm is my most relaxed FM/UT2 stroke.

I am ordering a new heart rate monitor to check out whether I am right about my HR when I am pulling 1:48 @ 25 spm.

I think I am.

Perhaps because I am a lightweight, perhaps because of my high anaerobic threshold, the rates I use in the various training bands are considerably higher than the IP plan suggests.

Top end UT2 for me is 25 spm, perhaps even 26 spm.

Top-end UT1 pushes up to 30 spm, perhaps even 32 spm.

ranger

[KevJGK]

I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer.
If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost.

Just in case you missed it?

You would feel much better if you paid Henry.

They used to send debtors to prison.

[snowleopard]

I am ordering a new heart rate monitor to check out whether I am right about my HR when I am pulling 1:48 @ 25 spm.

I think I am.

An EEG monitor would be more revealing.

[ranger]

They used to send debtors to prison.

When I reach my goals this winter, I don't think that we'll need to send Henry to prison when he doesn't pay up on his bet.

It will be disappointing to discover that he wasn't serious about his wager, though.

ranger

[hjs]

Over the next couple of week, I think I do it for 20K and win my bet with hjs.

In all seriousness, under what circumstances would you concede that hjs has won the bet?

If the times I log in the various races this year fall well short of my targets, even though I am fully trained.

I haven't done any races yet.

ranger

This is again nonsens. This season has nothing to do with it. Althoug he now says that he will pay after this season.




I will again open a thread to tell the simple facts



Ranger has made 3 bet's 2 with me and one small one with Roy Brook.


The one with Roy was simple, he has to show up at Wirc and weigh in ass a lightweight to win. This was for 20 dollars. He did not weigh in at all so this one he lost.


The second one was a bet about last season. It was about his 2k that year, it has 2 sides, the one side was about 2000 dollars, if he rowed a 6.16 2k I would have lost and had to pay him 2k.

The other side was him being slower than 6.40, If that was to be case I would have won and he should to pay me 1000 $

This was for season 2008/09, last season.

The outcome was clear, although ranger did very well for his age in my view he did not go sub 6.40 so I won.

He admited that fact and begged me to have mercy and give him a change to win his debt back. This is not made up he really begged! it was quite embarrising seing a grown man doing that

So I told him: "you have lost this one so you have to pay me, but I will offer you the change to win you money back and even double it. If you at any time during the rest of his life erg any one of your goals I will pay you 2000 dollars".


So in short, he ows 1020 dollars and refuses to pay up.

And if he does what is saying I will pay him 2k after he has payed his debs plus interest

If I am not mistaken that is 2.5 % per week in the Us

[ranger]

This morning: 100min erg, 150min bike (60.0 miles, 24.2 MPH)

Moving toward 150min of each.

Feels great.

ranger

[bloomp]

So by before 7AM your time, you've done over 4 hours of exercise?

[ranger]

So by before 7AM your time, you've done over 4 hours of exercise?

No, I finished at about 8:30 a.m. my time.

[What time is this forum on, anyway? It is 10:10 a.m. here at the moment. Why is it only 7:10 forum time? Ann Arbor is in the US Eastern Time Zone.]

Yes, I do my training before I go to work.

I eat breakfast between erging and biking.

I suppose it's age, but I only sleep five hours now.

So if I go to bed at 10 p.m., I wake up at 3 a.m.

I have never used an alarm clock to wake me up.

I just sleep until I wake up.

ranger