6:28 2K

[ranger]

What about now?

What sort of 2K time could you pull now if you absolutely had to?

Who knows?

I don't have to.

Racing isn't good training.

Right now, I am training.

I will race in February.

We'll find out what I can do for 2K then.

I suspect I am a little better than I was in 2006, when I did 6:29 without even preparing for it.

This year I am preparing for it.

So...

When I am fully prepared, I think I will pull, well, I don't know,

6:16?

ranger

[ranger]

This morning: 90min erg, 90min bike (24.4 MPH)

Working toward 120min of each.

Both feel great.

No sickness, no injuries, no staleness.

High spirits.

I have been at weight since September.

ranger

[Steve G]

This morning: 90min erg, 90min bike (24.4 MPH)

Working toward 120min of each.

Both feel great.

No sickness, no injuries, no staleness.

High spirits.

I have been at weight since September.

ranger

Rich
I have asked this question a few times, are you at weight pre workout or after sweating down for hours, simple question?
BTW in your now defunct blog, you were working towards 30K per day on the erg months ago!
Steve

[ranger]

are you at weight pre workout? You were working towards 30K per day on the erg months ago!

I am at my racing weight. I have no more weight to lose.

Yes, I have been working toward 30K a day of distance rowing, with a comparable amount of cross-training, for quite a while, as you mention, for several months.

Nothing wrong with that.

I would like to make this 30K a norm for my daily rowing.

I suspect that I might have 30 more years of rowing before I check out, so the six months or so that I have been devoting this year to establishing this routine, in terms of my training habits, will serve as a foundation for 60 times that period as the years go by,a solid investment in the future.

Minus sharpening for a couple of months before I race, this training is maximal.

ranger

[ranger]

Steve--

If I row a steady state 30K even once, rowing well and keeping a nice rate, say 1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI), by inevitable implicatiobn, I reach all of my rowing goals.

So this is an endpoint for my distance rowing, not a starting point.

As I menetioned, 1:44 is three seconds per 500m under the 60s lwt 2K qualifying time for WIRC.

At 6:56 per 2K, t is 4.5 seconds faster than the 60s lwt hammer row at WIRC 2009, where no one was under 7:00, with the winning time at 7:00.6.

30K, of course, is 15 x 2K (no rest).



30K is a done at a UT1 heart rate, not even AT.

This distance goal is 10 seconds per 500m beyond the ability of my peers at the moment in the 55s lwts, who would do 30K att about 1:54, not 1:44.

For my peers at the moment in the 55s lwts, 1:44 for 2K is pretty much an all-out, max heart rate, trial.

1:44 for 3K is a limit.

ranger

[ranger]

As Rocket Roy has shown, you should be able to do a FM at 27 spm and your 2k stroking power (SPI).

This is a solid goal for all of the best and most dedicated ergers.

Then when you race a 2K, you can rate 36-44 spm, as he does.

In terms of the quality of your rowing, the only question, then, is this:

What is your 2K stroking power?

Which might be paraphrased:

How much foundational rowing have you done, and to what effect?

Which, at the limit, becomes:

Do you row well?

ranger

[ranger]

For Rocket Roy, the questions "How much foundational rowing have you done, and to what effect?" and "Do you row well?? are easy to answer.

None--nothing--no.

For Roy, the question "What is your 2K stroking power?" has been answered, too, by his maximal training and therefore admirably consistent public, lightweight races over the last three years, which have all been within about a second per 500m of each other (6:38-6:44):

9.5 SPI

Thiis stroking power could be improved, I think, radically so.

But to do so would require a significant investment in habitual, daily foundational rowing, perhaps to the exclusion of all else, and perhaps over a period of years, rather than months, weeks, days, or individual sessions.

ranger

[bellboy]

And yet despite not being able to( in your mind) row well Roy is a world champion! Whoda thunk it eh?!

[hjs]

What about now?

What sort of 2K time could you pull now if you absolutely had to?

Who knows?

I don't have to.

Racing isn't good training.

Right now, I am training.

I will race in February.

We'll find out what I can do for 2K then.

Last year my first race was a 7.30, on a good day I must be able to do that again

ranger

[ranger]

What about now?

What sort of 2K time could you pull now if you absolutely had to?

Who knows?

I don't have to.

Racing isn't good training.

Right now, I am training.

I will race in February.

We'll find out what I can do for 2K then.

Last year my first race was a 7.30, on a good day I must be able to do that again

ranger

So, 6:41 a month later was a pretty good improvement, no?

Nice AT 2K, given that I did no hard distance rowing or sharpening to prepare for it.

Just foundational rowing.

6:42 is the 60s lwt WR.

Next year I will be 60.

I get about a dozen seconds each from hard distance rowing and sharpening.

I am doing hard distance rowing now.

I will sharpen and race in January and February.

I have been at weight since September.

ranger

[ranger]

And yet despite not being able to( in your mind) row well Roy is a world champion! Whoda thunk it eh?!

Yes.

No one much over 40 has ever rowed well.

This might change pretty soon, though.



Historical trends are only that--trends.

Trends can be broken.

ranger

[eliotsmith]

There is certainly no absolute need for ideals.

In fact, most of those in and around this forum seem to feel that any mention of ideals is outrageous, insulting, humiliating, lying, etc.

To each his own, I guess.

Personally, I can't get anything done without ideals.

I think this may be the first time you have said anything I can really respond to without sarcasm or disbelief.

I hope to imply correctly when I say that you think ideals are crucial to living, let alone to succeeding on the rower. Unfortunately, you fail to say it with as much gusto as you are wont to show. This is really a shame, for it avoids the problem altogether. It is the sort of language you use here that I would rather do without than with the oft complained about haughtiness you exhibit regularly. I am speaking especially of the "to each his own, I guess" and "Personally...". These are unnecessary devices used by those who don't wish to stand behind their opinions. At least when you say something like the first line quoted above, "There is certainly...", you give us a concrete statement with which to work. By following it with the statements you chose, you diffuse any emphasis that may have been intended and leave the reader confused as to your meaning.

Say it with gusto and confidence, or don't say it at all!

As to that first statement, I disagree. There is an absolute need for ideals. In fact, your statement itself, "There is certainly no absolute need for ideals," could not be uttered without referring to an ideal you see as necessary.

I also disagree that there are many here who think "any mention of ideals is outrageous, insulting..." Rather, I think they find your mention of ideals insulting because of the way you flaunt it about. They despise your lack of evidence for the power you say you can exert into your erg on a given day.

[ranger]

And yet despite not being able to( in your mind) row well Roy is a world champion! Whoda thunk it eh?!

For whoever comes along to pick it off, the 55s lwt WR is still quite a bit out of whack with its adjoining records, above and below.

6:33.5 splits the difference between the 50s lwt WR and the 60s lwt WR, not 6:38.

And there is a tendency for decline to accelerate with age, so probably the 55s lwt WR should be in and around 6:30, five seconds slower that the 50s lwt WR not four seconds faster than the 60s lwt WR.

I assume that Paul Siebach will pull 6:30 pretty easily when he is 55 in four years or so.

ranger

[ranger]

I also disagree that there are many here who think "any mention of ideals is outrageous, insulting..."

Really?

Then cite some ideals associated with indoor rowing, and someone in and around the forum who refers to these ideals often--and with impunity.

ranger

[ranger]

I hope to imply correctly when I say that you think ideals are crucial to living, let alone to succeeding on the rower. Unfortunately, you fail to say it with as much gusto as you are wont to show

Personally, I don't think I could have spoken for the importance of ideals with much more gusto.

Over the last 5 years, I have spoken for the importance of ideals in 50 million meters of foundational training and 20,000 posts to this forum describing that training.

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

I think you are wrong about the function of ideals in modern society at large.

In general, we moderns are no longer idealists; we are pragmatists.

Pragmatists believe that ideals are pernicious plots to maintain artificial social hierarchies. arbitrary truths, outmoded ethics, undesirable psychologies, deterministic biologies, and other unacceptable messes.

For most modern folk, ideals are just ploys trumped up by historically privileged elites to put down the masses.

For a pragmatist, one thing is just as good as another if it works and gives us what we (personally) want and need.

ranger