6:28 2K

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 27th, 2009, 8:21 am

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:Did the great Andy Ripley also hold the FM WR?
I suspect that Ripley rowed _waaay_ off his potential, if he had learned how to row and had trained as a rower.

If I pull 6:16 at 60, I will row five seconds better than Ripley did at 55, even though I weigh about 100 pounds less that he does.

Ripley's 55s hwt WR has already been (substantially) bested.

By an OTW rower who rows well.

I assume that his 50s hwt WR will be bested pretty soon, too.

By an OTW rower who rows well.

Blah, blah

Another example of a 2K/FM WR holder please.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:24 am

I will need to do a FM @ 1:48, if I want to hit my target of 1:34 for 2K.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:27 am

snowleopard wrote:Another example of a 2K/FM WR holder please.

When Mike Caviston pulled 6:18 for 2K and set the 40s lwt WR, he pulled 30K at 1:48 in a standard Level 3 training row and claimed that he could hvae gone on to a FM. He just couldn't be arsed.

Eskild E. does 18K for 60min. Heck, if he wanted to, I assume he could do 1:44 for a FM.

At 60, Paul Hendershott could still do 17K for 60min.

Graham Benton has the 30s hwt WR for the HM.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:37 am

When I pull 6:16 at 60 for 2K, I will have all of the 60s lwt WRs for all of the events.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 27th, 2009, 8:42 am

ranger wrote:When I pull 6:16 at 60 for 2K, I will have all of the 60s lwt WRs for all of the events.

ranger

When you pull 5.35 you will be overall wr holder.

When you run 9.50 /100m you also will be wr

but you will pull around 6.50/2000 on a stupid machine

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 27th, 2009, 8:59 am

ranger,

When is your first erg race of the season?

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » November 27th, 2009, 10:08 am

ranger wrote:
bellboy wrote:I would have assumed he would have gone quicker if he had been pushed.
I wouldn't assume that at all.

2K races are just a reflex of your training.

You can only go as fast as you training lets you go.

You can only go as fast as your training lets you go.

Your training must wear off quickly, going from 6:29.7 in Baltimore to 7:04.3 in Boston, eh? Learning to row (for 6 years) nets you 4 seconds/500 across the board, or so you claim, yet by comparison, you lost about 4 seconds/500 per week

I guess that was a gag reflex

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » November 27th, 2009, 10:24 am

snowleopard wrote:ranger,

When is your first erg race of the season?

he had 5 OTW races targetted for October, resulting in 5 no shows, dont hold your breath for his first erg race this season.

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » November 27th, 2009, 11:11 am

Ranger wrote:2K races are just a reflex of your training.

Always a rich source (pun intented) for amusing malapropisms.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 1:57 pm

snowleopard wrote:ranger,

When is your first erg race of the season?

Same as last season.

The end of January.

WIRC qualifiers.

Again, I'll race every weekend from when the WIRC qualifiers start until WIRC--and then beyond WIRC into early March, ending with the Ontario Ergometer Championships at St. Catharines.

Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Toronto, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 2:04 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:Another example of a 2K/FM WR holder please.
When Mike Caviston pulled 6:18 for 2K and set the 40s lwt WR, he pulled 30K at 1:48 in a standard Level 3 training row and claimed that he could hvae gone on to a FM. He just couldn't be arsed.

Eskild E. does 18K for 60min. Heck, if he wanted to, I assume he could do 1:44 for a FM.

At 60, Paul Hendershott could still do 17K for 60min.

Graham Benton has the 30s hwt WR for the HM.

ranger

When you are rowing well, and to your full potential, with balanced and sequenced training, your 2K is determined in distance rowing when you row a FM, or if you don't like long rows for some reason, a HM or 60min.

A FM is done at 2K + 14; a HM, at 2K + 11; 60min, at 2K + 10.

Sharpening is irrelevant to your achievement in the 2K, as long as you do it responsibly.

Everyone sharpens in the same way and pretty much with the same benefit.

Differences in effectiveness and efficiency among rowers, though, can be _enormous_.

Your effectiveness is a product of your foundational training.

You efficiency is a product of your distance training.

IMO, foundational training is best done before distance training, although some think the opposite, or that the two are best done simultaneously.

Since 2003, this is what I have done.

Back in 2003, I did the opposite.

The Wolverine Plan suggests that the two are best done simultaneously.

ranger

rjw · Post by **rjw** » November 27th, 2009, 2:31 pm

ranger wrote:If I pull 6:16 at 60, I will row five seconds better than Ripley did at 55, even though I weigh about 100 pounds less that he does.

That is right, you would!

HOWEVER

There is nothing that you have done that points to this except for your bluster and bravado!

Time will tell.

I can wait.

Ever-ready bunny style.

Distance rowing has just started.

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » November 27th, 2009, 5:09 pm

pity they don't give World Championship's for spouting bullshit and never posting any timed pieces. For sure you'd be WC.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 28th, 2009, 6:07 am

Rocket Roy wrote:pity they don't give World Championship's for spouting bullshit and never posting any timed pieces. For sure you'd be WC.

No timed pieces?

Not exactly true.

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2009 Season

You are number 1 of 95

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Rocketroy Brook 57 GBR 6:43.8 RACE
3 John Busk 55 Slangerup GBR 6:47.5 RACE
4 Mike Van Beuren 56 Annapolis MD USA 6:50.0 RACE
5 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
7 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 NOR 6:57.3 RACE
8 Thomas Knight 56 newcastle on tyne GBR 7:04.5 RACE
9 Chris Betenson 55 IRL 7:04.8 RACE
10 Daniel DEVEZ 55 FRA 7:05.1 RACE

Last year, I raced five times as much as you, and with considerably better results, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational rowing, with no hard distance rowing or sharpening.

No more foundational rowing.

My work on technique is complete.

I now row well.

This year I am (again) training to race.

I get about a dozen seconds each from hard distance rowing and full sharpening.

I am doing hard distance rowing now and will continue with it for the next month or so.

I will sharpen and race in January and February.

I have been at weight since September.

See you at the races!

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 29th, 2009, 6:36 am

BTW, PaulS's advice to row at 10MPS in your distance training, I think, is excellent.

The only stricture that needs to be added is that you should also do this rowing in and around your 2K stroking power.

This is quite a burden on the big club-level heavyweights who hang around this forum, especially the older ones.

None of these big heavyweights do distance rowing at 10 MPS and their 2K stroking power; therefore they never learn to row efficiently.

Rowing at 10MPS in your distance rowing requires a combination of high skeletal-motor fitness (coordination, dexterity, flexibility, etc.) and high aerobic capacity.

Most big heavyweights in and around this forum can only row 10MPS and the 2K stroking power for short distances, such as 500m, 1K, or 2K.

This has a direct bearing on what these big heavyweights can do OTW.

They only pull 3 watts/kg, so they are fine on the erg.

But when they get in a boat, they are as slow as molasses.

Their aerobic capacity is not balanced with their skeletal-muscular bulk and weight.

Does Big Bird row OTW?

If so, what does he do for 2K in a 1x?

I don't think that either Andy Ripley or Paul Hendershott could have gone anywhere very fast in a 1x, if they had tried.

NavHaz has the same difficulty.

ranger