6:28 2K

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 26th, 2009, 5:54 pm

ausrwr wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:Cheers Steve, I wasn't sure but.....

Do you know if Ranger could swim why doesn't he do the Iron man event's?
He doesn't swim. He walks on water...

I swim like a fish.

My father is in the swimming hall of fame.

Everyone in my family swims like a fish.

I was a sprinter as a swimmer.

Why?

I sink.

High specific gravity.

So long distance swimming is really not my thing.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 26th, 2009, 5:58 pm

bellboy wrote:I would have assumed he would have gone quicker if he had been pushed.

I wouldn't assume that at all.

2K races are just a reflex of your training.

You can only go as fast as you training lets you go.

No magic to it.

As I understand, Mike VB tried to go faster last year at WIRC in order to try to nip the WR.

When you do that, you just end up slower.

You can only go as fast as your training lets you go.

To do 1:34/6:16, I'll have to hit my distance and sharpening targets.

FM at 1:48, HM @ 1:45, 10K @ 1:42, 5K @ 1:39, etc.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:31

Last year, Rocket pb'd with 1:48.5 for 30min.

ranger

mrfit · Post by **mrfit** » November 26th, 2009, 9:01 pm

An Ironman is just an hour of swimming. Sinking would be bad though.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 4:49 am

Erg races are won iin training during distance rowing when you attempt a FM @ 26 spm.

UT2, or perhaps low UT1 HR.

150 bpm?

155?

A FM @ 26 spm is done at 2K + 14. at pretty much your 2K stroking power (SPI).

For instance, for a FM @ 26 spm, Rocket Roy has done 1:56.

That's 8.7 SPI.

I suspect that he could get to 1:55, if he did FMs more often.

That's right around 9 SPI.

A 1:55 FM predicts a 1:41/6:44 2K, exactly what he rowed last year.

I am now pulling 11.3 SPI in my distance rowing.

That comes out 1:46 @ 26 spm.

Lots of 1:46 @ 26 spm for the next month.

I'll put in about a million meters of it.

Just going along, groovin' to the movin'

Those who train maximally and are in and around the same weightk and age will do a 2K at just about the same rate.

So, when they race, the one with the highest stroking power (SPI) wins.

If your training is balanced and maximal, you find out what that stroking power is during distance training when you do a FM @ 26 spm.

ranger

KevJGK · Post by **KevJGK** » November 27th, 2009, 6:01 am

ranger wrote:Erg races are won iin training during distance rowing when you attempt a FM @ 26 spm.

I thought they were usually won over 2,000 meters with the winner being the guy that does the fastest time. I don’t think they take your marathon time into account?

The ideal marathon erger would differ a lot from the ideal 2K racer.

Usain Bolt would run a lousy marathon; Michael Johnson would struggle over 10K, Micah Kogo would be pretty average over 100 meters and I doubt Haile Gebrselassie would shine over 400 meters.

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 27th, 2009, 6:39 am

This thread is becoming a bit boring, nothing new, no real rows, no races coming, zilch nada nothing. You don,t even dare to name targets any more Dangy

Do you still remember last years season start, that would be fun again

1 Keith Oldham Milwaukee Rowing Club 07:18.5 *
2 Viorel Stribu Lincoln Park Boat Club 07:25.9 *
3 Rich Cureton University of Michigan 07:30.9
4 Frank Morawiecki Unaffiliated 07:49.5
5 Ron Boi Lincoln Park Boat Club 08:20.9

http://www.chicagoindoorrowing.com/records/

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 7:10 am

KevJGK wrote:The ideal marathon erger would differ a lot from the ideal 2K racer.

Well,. when Graham Watt was just your age, Kev, and pulled 6:25.8 for 2K, setting the 50s lwt WR, he also had the 50s lwt FM WR.

He could also do 1:26 for 500m, which at the time, I think, was also the 50s lwt 500m WR.

Go figure.

Damn facts.

They are difficult to deal with, no?

They get in the way of "what we would like to see."

In this race, Rocket Roy is training Graham by about 5 seconds per 500m:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ko0888wiE

That's a lot.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 7:20 am

KevJGK wrote:Usain Bolt would run a lousy marathon; Michael Johnson would struggle over 10K, Micah Kogo would be pretty average over 100 meters and I doubt Haile Gebrselassie would shine over 400 meters.

Erging isn't running.

Gravity is no issue in erging.

In erging, high stroking power can be sustained over long distances.

And the bigger you are, the more aerobic capacity you have to sustain the physiological stress of maintaining that high stroking power.

In rowing, high stroking power and pace are the same thing.

Rocket Roy and Graham Watt do a 2K at the same rate.

But Graham pulls 11 SPI; Rocket pulls 9.5 SPI.

Back in 2003, I also pulled a 2K at this rate, but at 10.7 SPI.

So Graham beat me, too.

In a 2K, I will now pull 12 SPI.

So I should now beat Graham.

Revenge of the nerd!

The hatman re-cometh--and with more than a cat in that hat.

Given that I am now approaching 60, rather than 50, this 12 SPI will beat everyone my age and weight by a country mile.

Unprecedented stuff.

60s lightweights usually pull about 9 SPI, 25% less.

Mo 60s lwt has pulled better than 6:42.

I am going to pull 6:16.

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 27th, 2009, 8:01 am

ranger wrote:
KevJGK wrote:The ideal marathon erger would differ a lot from the ideal 2K racer.
Well,. when Graham Watt was just your age, Kev, and pulled 6:25.8 for 2K, setting the 50s lwt WR, he also had the 50s lwt FM WR.

He could also do 1:26 for 500m, which at the time, I think, was also the 50s lwt 500m WR.

Go figure.

Damn facts.

They are difficult to deal with, no?

They get in the way of "what we would like to see."

In this race, Rocket Roy is training Graham by about 5 seconds per 500m:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ko0888wiE

That's a lot.

ranger

You cite one individual (within a minority category of a minority sport) to support a 'fact'? Give us another example of a 2K WR holder who also held the FM record. Did the great Andy Ripley also hold the FM WR? Did Andy Ripley ever row a FM?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:06 am

2K - 10 for 500m

2K + 14 for a FM

If their training is maximal and balanced,, the same rower should be able to do both.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 27th, 2009, 8:07 am

this was also a nice one.

At forhand :

"I will row a wr on 13 spi"

The result:

20 Hislop, David 06:49,8 01:41,8 36 01:41,7 36 01:42,3 36 01:44,0 43 LV50+
21 Cureton, Richard 06:55,3 01:40,2 35 01:45,2 31 01:44,2 32 01:45,7 32 LV50+
22 Brook, Roy 06:47,9 01:40,0 36 01:40,0 37 01:43,5 37 01:44,4 39 LV50+
23 Hastings, Dennis 06:49,5 01:43,1 35 01:42,9 34 01:42,9 34 01:40,6 36 LV50+

6.55 on 35/31/32/32 av 32.5 spm/313 watt = 9.6 spi

http://www.worldrowing.com/display/modu ... wid=324069

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:10 am

snowleopard wrote:Did the great Andy Ripley also hold the FM WR?

I suspect that Ripley rowed _waaay_ off his potential, if he had learned how to row and had trained as a rower.

If I pull 6:16 at 60, I will row five seconds better than Ripley did at 55, even though I weigh about 100 pounds less that he does.

Ripley's 55s hwt WR has already been (substantially) bested.

By an OTW rower who rows well.

I assume that his 50s hwt WR will be bested pretty soon, too.

By an OTW rower who rows well.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:15 am

I will need to do 1:24 for 500m to hit my target of 1:34 for 2K.

The 60s lwt WR for 500m is 1:29.9.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 27th, 2009, 8:16 am

Record Challenge

Two competitors registered for a crack at the $10,000 pool: Mike Wallin (LPJ) and Rich Cureton (Unaff). Although no US or World Records were broken, Wallin did managed to shave 9 tenths of a second off his prior Open 2K CIRC record to take home $300 (06:19.8). Mike has 3 years left to mount an assault on Rob Waddell’s’ 05:38.3 World Record established in 1999 before he reaches the ripe old age of 30.
Although there was much UK Forum interest in Rich Cureton’s assault on the US & World records, he FAILED TO MAKE WEIGHT and scratched. Cureton currently holds the US 50/54 Lwt record (06:28.0) established in 2004.

from http://www.chicagoindoorrowing.com/reco ... mmary.html

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 27th, 2009, 8:19 am

hjs wrote:Record Challenge

Two competitors registered for a crack at the $10,000 pool: Mike Wallin (LPJ) and Rich Cureton (Unaff). Although no US or World Records were broken, Wallin did managed to shave 9 tenths of a second off his prior Open 2K CIRC record to take home $300 (06:19.8). Mike has 3 years left to mount an assault on Rob Waddell’s’ 05:38.3 World Record established in 1999 before he reaches the ripe old age of 30.
Although there was much UK Forum interest in Rich Cureton’s assault on the US & World records, he FAILED TO MAKE WEIGHT and scratched. Cureton currently holds the US 50/54 Lwt record (06:28.0) established in 2004.

from http://www.chicagoindoorrowing.com/reco ... mmary.html

I am happy with my racing last year, given that I didn't train to race and didn't take very good care of my weight.

This year, I am training to race.

Different situation entirely.

I have been at weight since September.

Different situation entirely.

I an mow re-running 2002-2003--with one (significant) difference.

I have overcome my major weaknesses.

So I am now rowing at my full potential.

My fitness is pretty much the same.

But I now row well.

ranger