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snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 25th, 2009, 7:34 am

Steve G wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:What type of Turbo trainer do you have?

If it's the Tacx then you need to set it to 110% Scalefactor and 1.2 Calibration. That will then read at very accurate Wattage output. We measured it against a Powertap wheel last summer.
Roy
I think its a standard turbo he uses with a cheap bike computer, perhaps his speed is really Kilometres per hour!.
I find it hard to believe he can do that average speed, could you?

Of course he doesn't do that speed. It's a basic trainer so no means of calibration. Again, he's lying.

He probably has the computer set for the wrong wheel size too. 20 mph -- 23 mph -- 26 mph -- what's the difference?

7:00 -- 6:40 -- 6:16 -- what's the difference?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 7:42 am

snowleopard wrote:
Steve G wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:What type of Turbo trainer do you have?

If it's the Tacx then you need to set it to 110% Scalefactor and 1.2 Calibration. That will then read at very accurate Wattage output. We measured it against a Powertap wheel last summer.
Roy
I think its a standard turbo he uses with a cheap bike computer, perhaps his speed is really Kilometres per hour!.
I find it hard to believe he can do that average speed, could you?
Of course he doesn't do that speed. It's a basic trainer so no means of calibration. Again, he's lying.

He probably has the computer set for the wrong wheel size too. 20 mph -- 23 mph -- 26 mph -- what's the difference?

7:00 -- 6:40 -- 6:16 -- what's the difference?

I m easured my wheels and calibrated as instructed.

Can't do anything more.

Again, down in Illinois last week, while not working as hard at all, a reclining bike, set to the same resistance, said I was doing 23 spm.

So?

When I am out on my bike, over varied terrain, in the wind and weather, over rough conditions, with obstacles, etc., I do 20 mph.

ranger

mrfit · Post by **mrfit** » November 25th, 2009, 7:47 am

http://www.saris.com/comparison/trainers.pdf

If it's a magnetic trainer with the resistance set at low then it appears 26mph is not out of this world (240watts). If it's the fluid trainer....no way.

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 25th, 2009, 8:17 am

mrfit wrote:http://www.saris.com/comparison/trainers.pdf

If it's a magnetic trainer with the resistance set at low then it appears 26mph is not out of this world (240watts). If it's the fluid trainer....no way.

No it's not out of this world. The point is that renger thinks 26 mph on his trainer is the same as 26 mph on the road.

APM · Post by **APM** » November 25th, 2009, 8:34 am

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
Steve G wrote: Roy
I think its a standard turbo he uses with a cheap bike computer, perhaps his speed is really Kilometres per hour!.
I find it hard to believe he can do that average speed, could you?
Of course he doesn't do that speed. It's a basic trainer so no means of calibration. Again, he's lying.

He probably has the computer set for the wrong wheel size too. 20 mph -- 23 mph -- 26 mph -- what's the difference?

7:00 -- 6:40 -- 6:16 -- what's the difference?
I m easured my wheels and calibrated as instructed.

Can't do anything more.

Again, down in Illinois last week, while not working as hard at all, a reclining bike, set to the same resistance, said I was doing 23 spm.

So?

When I am out on my bike, over varied terrain, in the wind and weather, over rough conditions, with obstacles, etc., I do 20 mph.

ranger

Furthermore, as a keen cyclist myself, I think if you were averaging 26mph, you would have been receiving calls from pro Cycling Teams. Should I call Lance or do you want to? I heard Radioshack are recruiting? I am sure he would be delighted to hear that a middle aged man can STILL compete with the worlds best....

mrfit · Post by **mrfit** » November 25th, 2009, 8:36 am

Ranger thinks he's riding 26mph real world?

Well, that would be incorrect. Real world speed depends on a lot to factors, but 240 watts is something like 100-150 watts short of what it takes to ride at 26mph in the real world.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 8:52 am

Splish, splash!

Another hour on my bike: 24.34 miles.

Rivers of sweat!

After 30K on the erg.

Another hour on my bike later this morning.

Vacations are great.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 8:54 am

mrfit wrote:Ranger thinks he's riding 26mph real world?

Well, that would be incorrect. Real world speed depends on a lot to factors, but 240 watts is something like 100-150 watts short of what it takes to ride at 26mph in the real world.

Mo.

I go about 20 mph on my bike when I take it on the roads.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 8:57 am

mrfit wrote:Ranger thinks he's riding 26mph real world?

Well, that would be incorrect. Real world speed depends on a lot to factors, but 240 watts is something like 100-150 watts short of what it takes to ride at 26mph in the real world.

Nah, I can't do 340-390 watts--steady state.

My anaerobic threshold on the erg is 1:44, 310 watts.

At my anaerobic threshold, I also do 310 watts on a stepper, if I go as long as 100min.

Eskild E. can do 350 watts, steady state, for an hour.

No 60s lwt has ever done 350 watts for 2K.

ranger

APM · Post by **APM** » November 25th, 2009, 9:06 am

ranger wrote:
mrfit wrote:Ranger thinks he's riding 26mph real world?

Well, that would be incorrect. Real world speed depends on a lot to factors, but 240 watts is something like 100-150 watts short of what it takes to ride at 26mph in the real world.
Mo.

I go about 20 mph on my bike when I take it on the roads.

ranger

Yeh, course you do..... Lance is still on hold, he wants to sign you up!

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 9:50 am

mrfit wrote:http://www.saris.com/comparison/trainers.pdf

If it's a magnetic trainer with the resistance set at low then it appears 26mph is not out of this world (240watts). If it's the fluid trainer....no way.

Yes, I am sure that I'm not doing more than 240 watts on my bike.

220 watts?

Comparable to 1:56 on the erg?

1:44 on the erg is 310 watts.

On my bike, my HR is 130 bpm; on the erg, 1:44 @ 27 spm, my HR is 170 bpm.

130 bpm is middling UT2; 170 bpm is top-end UT1.

ranger

bellboy · Post by **bellboy** » November 25th, 2009, 11:40 am

PaulG. I do believe you have hit the nail on the head.hard!

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 2:03 pm

bloomp wrote:I have a harder time believing he can do anything close to 20mph after doing a 20k at the paces he claims to be 'comfortable' at.

Rich, as a professor you have a B.S. - Bull Shit. Possibly an M.S. - More Shit. Then I'm positive you got that PhD - Piled HIGH AND DEEP.

Bullshit and WRs on the erg are incompatible.

No?

The erg is a truth machine.

Sure, most professors are full of shit.

Then again, few professors have three WR rows on the erg.

If you are pulling 7:00 on the erg and the WR for you is 6:00, what might _that_ imply?

When you answer, don't give me a lot of B.S.

Just the truth.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 2:10 pm

APM wrote:
ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:What type of Turbo trainer do you have?

If it's the Tacx then you need to set it to 110% Scalefactor and 1.2 Calibration. That will then read at very accurate Wattage output. We measured it against a Powertap wheel last summer.
Hey, I don't really care about these things.

ranger
Yet you brag about the specific statistics of your workouts?

I do?

No, most of the time, I am criticized for not giving enough exact statistics about my workouts.

As I have stated repeatedly, I don't think that statistics have much bearing at all on what is most important in training, while most of the folks here on the forum are obsessed with statistics and don't care about what is important in training much at all.

When I _do_ give statistics, I just cite them.

Then, the folks here on the forum object to my instrumentation, etc.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 25th, 2009, 4:52 pm

bellboy wrote:PaulG. I do believe you have hit the nail on the head.hard!

I am not sure what you are implying here.

That everyone is deserving of equal respect, regardless of their talent, skill, commitment, achievement, etc.?

That's a pretty unreal view.

Life is hard.

Then you die.

The erg is a truth machine, not some convenient excuse for incompetence, inability, laziness, apathy, failure, etc.

ranger