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General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
Kangaroo
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Post by Kangaroo » November 22nd, 2009, 1:05 pm

But your technique is wrong now still? :/ Sorry I don't follow...

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Post by whp4 » November 22nd, 2009, 2:03 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:oan van Blom seems to regularly meet the hwt qualifying time as a lwt
Yes.

But this is unprecedented among males.
Again, if you restricted your claim to guys in the 50-59 age brackets, this might be true, but you didn't. Or maybe we should just say that you row like a girl :lol:

Some other differences between you and JvB: more than likely, she'll qualify as a heavyweight rowing as a lightweight, she'll actually show up at WIRC and medal, and pictures of her will be warmly received by the forum readers instead of with cries of "my eyes! my eyes!" :lol:

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 3:53 am

Kangaroo wrote:But your technique is wrong now still? :/ Sorry I don't follow...
No, my technique is now fine.

I now pull 12 SPI.

I get 120 kgs. of peak pressure, with a smooth, left-leaning haystack for a force curve.

This is perfect.

ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 3:57 am

whp4 wrote:we should just say that you row like a girl
I suppose we'll see.

12 SPI is a higher stroking power than Stephansen.

6:16 is 12 seconds below the Open women's 2K WR.

6:16 meets the male lightweight qualifying standard for the US National Team.

6:16 is two seconds under Dick Cashin's male 55s hwt WR, eight seconds under the male 60s heavyweight WR, and two seconds under the male lwt 40s WR.

6:16 is just a stroke or so off of Tom Kay's male lwt 30s Britisih record.

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Post by Kangaroo » November 23rd, 2009, 9:40 am

ranger wrote: No, my technique is now fine.

I now pull 12 SPI.

I get 120 kgs. of peak pressure, with a smooth, left-leaning haystack for a force curve.

This is perfect.

ranger
Your haystack in the original post is not smooth AT ALL. Those force curves aren't perfect??? :/[/quote]

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 9:49 am

kangaroo wrote:Your haystack in the original post is not smooth AT ALL.
My force curve is now perfect.

No problems with my technique.

I am now training to race.

When I race, I'll pull 12 SPI.

At 36 spm, 12 SPI is 6:14.

At 36 spm, 9 SPI is 6:50.

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Post by rsieminski » November 23rd, 2009, 9:51 am

Where is this 6:16 row officially recorded? I'd like to see your WR's. Can you please post up a link?
Thanks

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 11:01 am

rsieminski wrote:Where is this 6:16 row officially recorded? I'd like to see your WR's. Can you please post up a link?
Thanks
Do you time travel?

If so, you can find it on this site, Feb. 14, 2010:

http://www.crash-b.org/

Not too long now.

Under three months to go.

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Post by hjs » November 23rd, 2009, 11:27 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g3D9uF1 ... re=related


this guy is using his legs, don,t think though he will be that good on a fm.

500m 1.13.x very solid sprinting technique!!

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 12:43 pm

hjs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g3D9uF1 ... re=related


this guy is using his legs, don,t think though he will be that good on a fm.

500m 1.13.x very solid sprinting technique!!
No relation to what I do.

I do the catch with a flick of my toes and don't ever set my heels, even at the finish.

This is a very "light" stroke, mechanically.

I certainly use my legs, though.

I don't drag them behind my back and arms, as I used to in 2002-2003.

My timing, sequencing, posture, finishes, recoveries, slide control, and catch preparation are all much better than they were five years ago.

Together, these mechanical improvements make my stroke about 2 SPI stronger, especially on distance rows.

12 SPI rather than 10 SPI.

1:48 @ 23 spm

1:45 @ 25 spm

etc.

12 SPI @ 35 spm is 1:34/6:16.

At 10 SPI, 1:34/6:16 is 42 spm.

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Post by Nosmo » November 23rd, 2009, 3:01 pm

whp4 wrote:You know what else is unprecedented?
claiming one is going to break the world record, and then lower that record for another 6 races in the following couple of months?

Oh wait, it actually sounds just like the drivel that has been posted for the last several years so that can't be it.

Not responding to that drivel--That would be unprecedented!. But we just can't stop can we?

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Post by DUThomas » November 23rd, 2009, 3:09 pm

Thanks to the Greasemonkey script that Citroen and others have recommended, the ranger threads are now surreal (like http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/). More readable too.
David -- 45, 195, 6'1"

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Post by ausrwr » November 23rd, 2009, 3:24 pm

ranger wrote:
whp4 wrote:we should just say that you row like a girl
I suppose we'll see.

12 SPI is a higher stroking power than Stephansen.

6:16 is 12 seconds below the Open women's 2K WR.

6:16 meets the male lightweight qualifying standard for the US National Team.

6:16 is two seconds under Dick Cashin's male 55s hwt WR, eight seconds under the male 60s heavyweight WR, and two seconds under the male lwt 40s WR.

6:16 is just a stroke or so off of Tom Kay's male lwt 30s Britisih record.

ranger
You're not in the same league as any of these athletes. Not as an athlete, not as a human being.
Rich Cureton. 7:02 at BIRC. But "much better than that now". Yeah, right.

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 3:31 pm

nosmo wrote:claiming one is going to break the world record, and then lower that record for another 6 races in the following couple of months?
Yep.

Sounds good to me.

If I am fully trained up for races this winter, this should be a cinch.

As I showed last year, if I get in a good race from week to week, I get a couple of seconds better in each race.

So, across six races, from the end of January to early March, I get about a dozen seconds better.

The goal this year will be to start at pb levels (6:28) and then move down a dozen seconds from there.

In 2003, I started at 6:40 and moved down to 6:28.

If you only sharpen for a couple of months a year, e.g., in January and February, leading up to WIRC, expending all of your effort in the off season on foundational and distance rowing, as you bring up your anaerobic capacities in order to prepare to race, your 2K times come down sharply.

ranger

P.S. 6:28 is 10 seconds under the 55s lwt WR; 14 seconds under the 60s lwt WR. For races this winter, I will be 59 years old.
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)

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Post by ranger » November 23rd, 2009, 3:47 pm

auswr wrote:You're not in the same league as any of these athletes. Not as an athlete, not as a human being.
Yea, I'm a nasty prick who can't row a lick.

:lol: :lol:

Thanks.

That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in quite a while.

Watch out.

Flattery will get you everywhere.

:lol: :lol:

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