6:28 2K

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 3:14 am

DUThomas wrote:Nay-saying is "fatal stuff"? Here's a handy list of people who might have been saved by well-timed nay-sayers: www.darwinawards.com/

Saved from what?

Going slower?

Last year, I had the best 2K in my age and weight division by three seconds, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of low-rate, foundational training, without any hard distance rowing or sharpening.

I get about a dozen seconds each from hard distance rowing and sharpening.

This year, my fitness is the same and I am adding hard distance rowing and sharpening, preparing to race.

Seems to me as though my training is coming along just fine.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 5:17 am

I am now locking on to a beautifully relaxed and efficient cadence, 1:44 @ 27 spm.

1:44 is my 6K pb.

My goal now is to do this 1:44 @ 27 spm for 60min.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 5:50 am

rjw wrote:
ranger wrote: I don't mention that I was an Olympic silver medalist either.....
That is because you weren't but the use of the word "either" would lead us to believe that you were. What is the point of leading us on? What a piece of work!

My point?

Then is then; now is now.

It will indeed be impressive if Joan can pull 7:07 when she is 60.

Being an Olympic silver medalist when she was in her 20s might certainly help with this, although what she has done in the 40 years between then and now might also bear heavily on the issue.

Best of luck to her.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 19th, 2009, 5:59 am

ranger wrote:I am now locking on to a beautifully relaxed and efficient cadence, 1:44 @ 27 spm.

1:44 is my 6K pb.

My goal now is to do this 1:44 @ 27 spm for 60min.

ranger

You have had 1001 goals in the passed 6 years and you reached exactly zero of them

A sane human being would start thinking...............

by ranger on 21 Dec 2007, 11:33

ranger wrote:
This time, I think I might want to ratchet these times down 10 seconds: 6:28 at Elkhart (Jan. 12),

6:26 at CIRC (Feb. 2),

6:24 at Cincinnati (Feb. 10),

6:22 at Chicago (Feb. 16),

6:20 at WIRC (Feb. 24).

A lwt 6:28 at Elkhart would break the 55s lwt WR by 10 seconds.

Then I would go on from there.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 7:09 am

hjs wrote:You have had 1001 goals in the passed 6 years

No, only one.

A 6:16 2K.

And that is still my goal.

In rowing, all goals are really the same.

All pbs implicate all other pbs by determinate ratios.

If your rowing is balanced, your FM times predicts your 500m time and vice versa.

In rowing, the best sprinter is also the best marathoner (and vice versa).

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 7:11 am

hjs wrote: you reached exactly zero of them

I haven't tried yet.

I have just been doing foundational rowing.

None of my goals involve foundational rowing, other than training myself to race at 12 SPI, and I have indeed accomplished that goal (as I demonstrated at the Baltimore Burn in 2006).

I am now doing distance/threshold rowing.

As far as I can tell, training is coming along great.

Your hyperbole about the one and the many is unnecessary.

If I achieve one of my goals, by implication, I achieve them all.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 19th, 2009, 7:31 am

ranger wrote:
I haven't tried yet.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 8:51 am

What you do to develop your stroking power and technique (your effectiveness and efficiency) is your rowing fate.

In terms of stroking power, most lightweights settle for something around 10 SPI; most heavyweights, 12 SPI.

But almost no one does better than 36 spm in a 2K, with 34 spm being more like the norm.

At 34 spm, 10 SPI is 6:44.

At 34 spm, 12 SPI is 6:20.

And that's that.

To be among the best, or perhaps even the best, bar none, given your age, these lightweights and heavyweights both need to double down on their foundational rowing and find another 3 SPI of stroking power.

At 34 spm, 13 SPI is 6:10; 15 SPI is 5:53.

ranger

bloomp · Post by **bloomp** » November 19th, 2009, 10:39 am

So somehow you extrapolate from a 6k @ 1:44 that you can do 60' @ 1:44? Non sequitur. You can't hold a pace for over 2.5-3 times as long as you currently do - if you could, your 6k PB would be much lower.

Bullshit. Bullshit.

mrfit · Post by **mrfit** » November 19th, 2009, 11:11 am

Ranger wrote:

In rowing, the best sprinter is also the best marathoner (and vice versa).

Actually, no male in any age/weight class has both records.

bloomp · Post by **bloomp** » November 19th, 2009, 11:21 am

mrfit wrote:Ranger wrote:
In rowing, the best sprinter is also the best marathoner (and vice versa).
Actually, no male in any age/weight class has both records.

Exactly. By that logic I think Rob Smith would therefore be the best marathon rower. Yet I doubt he has ever rowed more than 10k at any one time.

chgoss · Post by **chgoss** » November 19th, 2009, 11:48 am

guys,
I've come to realize that Ranger doesnt actually believe most of the stuff he says..

He doesnt believe the WR 500m person also owns the WR Marathon
He doesnt believe his record on the erg matches Joan VB's record
He doesnt believe that pace for a 6k is the same as the pace for a Marathon

He just says it to wind us up.. troll.. he's just looking for an argument. If you notice, he never-ever directly answers a question/challenge.. every one of his posts is a quick side step of the question, followed by 8-50 double spaced lines spouting nonsense..

paul s · Post by **paul s** » November 19th, 2009, 11:57 am

As I have asked before, why bother answering any of his posts? Why even bother opening them?

Paul Salata

Citroen · Post by **Citroen** » November 19th, 2009, 12:53 pm

paul s wrote:As I have asked before, why bother answering any of his posts? Why even bother opening them?

Paul Salata

Try this:

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ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 19th, 2009, 1:57 pm

bloomp wrote:So somehow you extrapolate from a 6k @ 1:44 that you can do 60' @ 1:44? Non sequitur. You can't hold a pace for over 2.5-3 times as long as you currently do - if you could, your 6k PB would be much lower.

Bullshit. Bullshit.

I am just training, Paul.

When I do distance trials/races, we will find out what I can do in an all out effort.

Training is not racing.

1:44 is my 6K pb from back in 2003.

1:48 is my 60min pb from back in 2003.

I am much better than that now.

4 seconds per 500m?

We'll soon see.

ranger