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Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » November 15th, 2009, 4:59 am

Interesting link, we all know Rich is stuck in a timewarp, he cant phrase a sentence without mentioning 2003 etc, not much mention of the now in his postings, especially times rowed, that is all set in the future!!

Steve
59 63 Kgs

Coasty · Post by **Coasty** » November 15th, 2009, 10:37 am

I jumped on this forum to learn something about improving my training and all i found was a BRAGGER...good for you..... horray...you have apparently worked hard to accomplish your PRs...how about instead of justing bragging about it you share with others some of your training tips...tks in advance..Coasty

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » November 15th, 2009, 1:26 pm

Coasty wrote:I jumped on this forum to learn something about improving my training and all i found was a BRAGGER...good for you..... horray...you have apparently worked hard to accomplish your PRs...how about instead of justing bragging about it you share with others some of your training tips...tks in advance..Coasty

His training tips? thats easy!

Do 1,000 sit ups daily, 4 hours on a bike at 20-mph with no pedals or saddle, then a FM at 1.45 at 24 spm....

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 3:17 am

Steve G wrote:he cant phrase a sentence without mentioning 2003

In 2009, I had the best 2K in age and weight division, a second under the 60s lwt WR, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational training, without hard distance rowing or sharpening.

I get a dozen seconds over 2K from both distance training and sharpening.

My foundational rowing is now complete.

I am again preparing to race.

I am now doing hard distance rowing.

When I am done with distance trials, I will sharpen.

I will be 60 years old in 14 months.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 3:25 am

Coasty wrote:how about you share with others some of your training tips...tks in advance..Coasty

I have shared all the training I have done--for 10 years.

You can find it in the archive to this forum (and in the archive to the UK forum), or in the sarcastic responses to it by other rowers, as you have just gotten here.

I don't have anything more to add to this archive (and response).

Anything novel that I have done is now behind me.

Beware.

The general consensus is that what I have done to get so fast is not a productive way to train, so if this sentiment is right, my training methods probably won't be of any use to you.

But who knows?

They have indeed worked for me.

My goal now is to be 26 seconds under the 60s lwt WR in a year or so.

That is under the 40s lwt WR and the 55s hwt WR.

Wish me luck!

There are several standard training plans that would probably find much more useful than any poor advice that I can give you, especially if you are just interested in modest results that don't take much time and effort.

Others on the forum here will be happy to direct you to this more useful literature on how to train for rowing.

Good luck with it.

Enjoy!

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 16th, 2009, 3:37 am

ranger wrote:My goal now is to be 26 seconds under the 60s lwt WR in a year or so.

A few days ago ranger wrote:Not much interested in what I will do when I am 60 at the moment

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 16th, 2009, 4:01 am

ranger wrote:
Coasty wrote:how about you share with others some of your training tips...tks in advance..Coasty
I have shared all the training I have done--for 10 years.

You can find it in the archive to this forum and in the archive to the UK forum), or in the sarcastic responses to it by other rowers, as you have just gotten here.

The general consensus is that it is not a productive way to train, though, so it probably won't be of any use to you.

But who knows?

It hasn,t worked for me. Every year I am getting slower and often I am not able to compete.

My goal now is to the 60 plus wr, not that I think I will get there but it will give me time to keep talking bull over here

Good luck with it.

Enjoy my ramblings!

ranger

yep

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 4:21 am

hjs wrote:Enjoy my ramblings!

There is nothing else to share about what I have done.

My unusual training is in the archive, for anyone who is interested.

What was unusual about it is now complete.

For the next three months, I will just be preparing to race.

By and large, everyone prepares to race in the same way and with pretty much the same effect--a gain of about a dozen seconds each over 2K from hard distance rowing and full sharpening.

Pretty boring business.

No one wins an erg race because of their race preparation.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 5:08 am

If you row well, you only need 100 kgs. of peak pressure in order to pull 1:45 @ 27 spm (11.1 SPI).

100 kgs. is just not that much; and if you are in good condition, you should be able to rate 27 spm a HM, perhaps even for a FM, like Rocket Roy.

If your rowing is balanced and complete, you can read your 2K score right off your distance times.

60min is done at 2K + 10; a HM, at 2K +11; and a FM, at 2K + 14.

So, clearly, brute strength is not the major issue in rowing.

I never lift weights.

Never have and never will.

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 16th, 2009, 5:49 am

ranger wrote:If you row well, you only need 100 kgs. of peak pressure in order to pull 1:45 @ 27 spm (11.1 SPI).

Peak pressure is totally irrelevant in determining whether or not you can pull 1:45 @ 27 spm. All that matters is the area under [force] curve.

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 16th, 2009, 6:10 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:Enjoy my ramblings!
There is nothing else to share about what I have done.

ranger

Indeed true, if you really should reviel what you did your hole cardhouse of lies would far in pieces.......

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 8:27 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:If you row well, you only need 100 kgs. of peak pressure in order to pull 1:45 @ 27 spm (11.1 SPI).
Peak pressure is totally irrelevant in determining whether or not you can pull 1:45 @ 27 spm. All that matters is the area under [force] curve.

Yes, so you agree.

Perhaps even _less_ peak pressure is needed that I use.

Strength is not an issue at all.

But given that, this is interesting:

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 21,097m (half marathon) | Men's | Lightweight | All Ages | 2009 Season

Paul Woodland 34 The Green health club , Charing Kent GBR 1:15:36.0 IND
1 Gregory Cook 38 Bainbridge Island WA USA 1:16:12.4 C2Log
2 Jamie Pfeffer 36 New York City NY USA 1:16:22.6 RowPro
3 Will Doss 16 Riverview MI USA 1:16:26.0 IND
4 Mark Stalham 44 Cambridge GBR 1:16:34.4 IND
5 Duncan Paterson 44 Melbourne Victoria AUS 1:17:16.7 IND
6 Markku Henriksson 45 Oulu FIN 1:17:30.0 IND
7 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 1:17:42.8 IND_V
8 Robert Smith 37 Birmingham West Mids GBR 1:18:09.1 IND
9 Vincent Brunning 27 Plymouth GBR 1:18:12.7 RowPro
10 james stafford 44 stone ridge ny USA 1:18:16.3 IND
11 Mouss. HAMMACHI 49 LE PERREUX S/M FRA 1:19:06.0 IND

At best, 1:48?

ranger

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » November 16th, 2009, 8:53 am

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:If you row well, you only need 100 kgs. of peak pressure in order to pull 1:45 @ 27 spm (11.1 SPI).
Peak pressure is totally irrelevant in determining whether or not you can pull 1:45 @ 27 spm. All that matters is the area under [force] curve.
Yes, so you agree.

Perhaps even _less_ peak pressure is needed that I sue.

Strength is not an issue at all.

But given that, this is interesting:

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 21,097m (half marathon) | Men's | Lightweight | All Ages | 2009 Season

Paul Woodland 34 The Green health club , Charing Kent GBR 1:15:36.0 IND
1 Gregory Cook 38 Bainbridge Island WA USA 1:16:12.4 C2Log
2 Jamie Pfeffer 36 New York City NY USA 1:16:22.6 RowPro
3 Will Doss 16 Riverview MI USA 1:16:26.0 IND
4 Mark Stalham 44 Cambridge GBR 1:16:34.4 IND
5 Duncan Paterson 44 Melbourne Victoria AUS 1:17:16.7 IND
6 Markku Henriksson 45 Oulu FIN 1:17:30.0 IND
7 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 1:17:42.8 IND_V
8 Robert Smith 37 Birmingham West Mids GBR 1:18:09.1 IND
9 Vincent Brunning 27 Plymouth GBR 1:18:12.7 RowPro
10 james stafford 44 stone ridge ny USA 1:18:16.3 IND
11 Mouss. HAMMACHI 49 LE PERREUX S/M FRA 1:19:06.0 IND

At best, 1:48?

ranger

The difference is they have actually done it, not just thought about it for eons, just set the dial for 21.09 K and row to zero, simple!

Steve

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 8:59 am

Coasty wrote:you have apparently worked hard to accomplish your PRs

Naw.

Not really.

Only about 60 million meters on the erg and five million OTW.

Lots of work still to do.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 16th, 2009, 9:02 am

Steve G wrote:The difference is they have actually done it

Yes, big difference.

But you miss it.

I've done a HM at 1:48, too, but back in 2003, when I was 52.

My goal is now 1:45, three seconds per 500m faster than I was seven years ago.

I'll be 59 in a couple of months.

Let's see.

Woodland, Cook, and Pfeffer are how old?

Yikes.

Middle 30s?

Just kids.

Lots of work to do if they want to be shooting for 1:45 a quarter of a century from now, when they are my age.

ranger

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