6:28 2K

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 6:17 am

Rating 30 for 60min would be....cool.

So, there's the goal.

Put it on 30 spm--

and row.

Take a deep breath.

A bit of work ahead.

I suspect that Eskild E. rates 30 spm when he races 60min.

10 MPS

11.7 SPI

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 13th, 2009, 6:19 am

bama wrote:did 4k. experimented with the time intervals racing the pace boat. had it set at 30 sec row 10 sec rest at 1:58 500/m pace. not too bad, tomorrow I am going to try it at 1 min row 15 sec rest at 1:55 pace and see how many intervals I get.

This thread is not about actuele training

It's only fantasies.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 6:24 am

Doing distance rowing at a high rate is my most natural mode.

When I first took up rowing, I did all my rowing at the same rate, 30-32 spm, even FMs.

I just pulled harder if I wanted to go faster, and easier, if I wanted to slow down.

Why?

I was a canoeist for 25 years in my youth.

Paddling is done at a higher rate than rowing, and over longer distances.

So, when I first got on an erg, I just relaxed and paddled for an hour or two in each session.

I never timed myself over set distances.

Seemed to work, no?

In my first race, when I ws 51 years old, I was 4 seconds under the 50s lwt 2K WR.

6:27.5.

Only three 50s lwts in the history of the sport have rowed sub-6:30 and they have all been WR-holders.

As Henry points out, when I was rowing like this, I didn't do any _actual_ training, though, because I didn't follow a standard rowing plan.

It was all just fantasy.

I need to wake up and get real.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 13th, 2009, 6:55 am

ranger wrote:
Only three 50s lwts in the history of the sport have rowed sub-6:30 and they have all been WR-holders.

As Henry points out, when I was rowing like this, I didn't do any _actual_ training, though, because I didn't follow a standard rowing plan.

It was all just fantasy.

I need to wake up and get real.

ranger

"when I was rowing like this" That was training

2004/2009 is just fantasy, only your racing has been real.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 7:09 am

hjs wrote:That was training

That's what I am doing (again) now--but with a significant change.

I now row well.

Like the other 55s lwts, I used to row poorly and pull 9 SPI in my distance rowing.

My technique was ineffective and inefficient.

I now row well and pull 11 SPI.

My technique is now effective and efficient.

At 30 spm, 2 SPI is 60 watts.

At 60min rates and pace, that's right around seven seconds per 500m.

There's that seven seconds per 500m again!

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 7:17 am

hjs wrote:your racing has been real

Indeed it has.

I had the best 2K in my age and weight division last year by three seconds, just on the basis of foundational training, without either hard distance rowing or full sharpening, that is, without even preparing to race.

I get about a dozen seconds each over 2K from hard distance rowing and full sharpening.

It will be interesting to see what I can do when I am fully trained.

I am no longer doing foundational rowing.

I am preparing to race.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 13th, 2009, 7:41 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:your racing has been real
Indeed it has.

I missed my target with 26 seconds. I didn,t make it to Wirc, I tried to win my bet with you but my body couldn,t handle it. I also seem to race poorly agains Rocket and Mike so it's best to try to avoid them.

I started my season around 7.00 minutes, for some reason I was not very fit. Although not that strange, in the summer I don,t eat very healthy and my weight goes up quit a bit, it takes me lot of effort to shift all that fat again.

But at the end my racing and sharpening gave me almost 20 seconds.

I am preparing to race again, hopefully I will get close to 6.41 again, although that will be very very hard.

At the moment training is not going well so racing at this moment would get results around 7.00 again and even that won't be easy now. I know you have predicted that and I don,t want you to be right again

Hopefully I will be able to race but if not there is always next year etc......

ranger

It is hard to be dignified when you are so radically wrong/misinformed.

ranger

Indeed dangy indeed

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 8:39 am

hjs wrote:That was training

Sure, of a sort.

It got me fit, and it got me paddling again, but in an odd sort of canoe.

Was it _gpod_ training?

Heck no.

I didn't have any idea how to row.

And rowing poorly is never good training.

Such training leaves you _way_ short of your potential as a rower.

You waste your hard work and fitness on ineffective and inefficient mechanics.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 9:35 am

Rocket Roy wrote:Do I need to go again yet?

That's up to you and how long you want your 55s lwt WR to last.

My efforts aside, I suspect that the 55s lwt WR will soon be at least 6:30.

ranger

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » November 13th, 2009, 11:28 am

ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:Do I need to go again yet?
That's up to you and how long you want your 55s lwt WR to last.

That's right, you're the expert on short-lived WRs, aren't you?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 13th, 2009, 12:23 pm

whp4 wrote:
ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:Do I need to go again yet?
That's up to you and how long you want your 55s lwt WR to last.
That's right, you're the expert on short-lived WRs, aren't you?

I was both a novice rower and nearly 53 when I pulled a lwt 6:28 at BIRC 2003.

A lwt 6:28 at 53 is the equivalent of a lwt 6:23 at 50.

Historically, veterans decline at a rate of 1.7 seconds per year over 2K.

No other 50s lwt has pulled 6:28 at 53, and I suspect, this will remain the case for some time.

Yes, my 6:28 at 53 was a modest affair.

But I have worked hard to change that.

I am now quite a bit better than I was in 2003.

We'll soon see how much better.

In 2003, I rowed poorly.

I now row well.

ranger

Rockin Roland · Post by **Rockin Roland** » November 14th, 2009, 12:19 am

ranger wrote:
I now row well.

Like the other 55s lwts, I used to row poorly and pull 9 SPI in my distance rowing.

My technique was ineffective and inefficient.

I now row well and pull 11 SPI.

My technique is now effective and efficient.

ranger

Good technique on a stationary C2 erg is highly personal and has little correlation with the technique required to move a boat well. Technique on a C2 erg is only about the ability to keep that flywheel spinning fast.

I'm not interested in your SPI numbers and times but can you explain how your rowing stroke differs now from what you were doing previously?

If you believe that you are truly rowing well now then I'd like to put you on a real erg such as a "Rowperfect" and see how well you go.

I reckon that you would struggle to match the same scores as some of our better over 50s lwt OTW rowers here in OZ on a "Rowperfect" erg.

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » November 14th, 2009, 2:48 pm

ranger wrote:
Yes, my 6:28 at 53 was a modest affair.

I am now quite a bit better than I was in 2003.

In 2003, I rowed poorly.

ranger

So sit down and do a 2k under 6.38.1 now, and I don't care how over 75k's you are just do it...........and prove to us all how good you are now.

pjc · Post by **pjc** » November 15th, 2009, 12:32 am

why does rocketroy call himself the 2009 world champion? i just checked the rankings page and rich cuerton rowed the fastest time for 55-60 LWT.

bloomp · Post by **bloomp** » November 15th, 2009, 2:17 am

PJC,

As you may or may not have realized by now, not every piece rowed in the world is entered into a C2 logbook, and therefore not every piece rowed in the world is available for ranking. Roy raced a faster piece at Crash-B's, which is THE world championship for erging. Rich did not beat him at the actual championship, as he did not show up.

Just for the laughs, go ahead and look at the time Rich rowed at CIRC this year:
http://www.chicagoindoorrowing.com/records/

7:30.9. I know girls that row faster than that.

And I found this as well, quite interesting that he claims to have erged from 2000, and rowed OTW since 2003.

http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4440&start=0