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Post by ranger » November 10th, 2009, 12:54 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:Last year, only one 60s lwt rowed under 1:45 for 2K, the WR-holder, Brian Bailey
ranger wrote:Not much interested in what I will do when I am 60 at the moment
So in what way is Brian Bailey's performance of any importance to you?
Just responding to Henry.

Would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old lwt?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old lwt has ever gone.

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Post by ranger » November 10th, 2009, 1:01 pm

hjs wrote:you haven,t sharpened in yearssssssssssssssss if ever
Ever?

No, I've sharpened quite a few times, doing a couple of months of distance rowing, including a full set of distance trials, followed by a couple of months of sharpening with anaerobic sprints--(1) in the fall of 2001, (2) in the fall of 2002, (3) in the winter of 2002, and (4) in the fall of 2003.

I haven't done either distance rowing (including distance trials) or full sharpening since then, though.

From 2004 until just recently, I have just been doing foundational training, working on technique.

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Post by hjs » November 10th, 2009, 1:14 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:Last year, only one 60s lwt rowed under 1:45 for 2K, the WR-holder, Brian Bailey
ranger wrote:Not much interested in what I will do when I am 60 at the moment
So in what way is Brian Bailey's performance of any importance to you?
Just responding to Henry.

Would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old lwt?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old lwt has ever gone.

ranger
Yes 6.41 is certainly good, but that's not the point, you are aiming at something completely different, that's the point.



ps What do you think Rob Waddel could do if he was "fully" trained, he can,t have done much cardio work, let alone row on his sailing trips. That 6.36 of his much be slow :lol:

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Post by snowleopard » November 10th, 2009, 1:27 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:Last year, only one 60s lwt rowed under 1:45 for 2K, the WR-holder, Brian Bailey
ranger wrote:Not much interested in what I will do when I am 60 at the moment
So in what way is Brian Bailey's performance of any importance to you?
Just responding to Henry.

Would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old lwt?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old lwt has ever gone.
As you said yourself, there is no age category, medal or WR for 59-year-olds. The category is 55 to 59 years of a age.

A 6:41 is three seconds over the age group WR.

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Post by michaelb » November 10th, 2009, 1:42 pm

ranger wrote: No, I've sharpened quite a few times, doing a couple of months of distance rowing, including a full set of distance trials, followed by a couple of months of sharpening with anaerobic sprints--(1) in the fall of 2001, (2) in the fall of 2002, (3) in the winter of 2002, and (4) in the fall of 2003.

I haven't done either distance rowing (including distance trials) or full sharpening since then, though.

From 2004 until just recently, I have just been doing foundational training, working on technique.

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I really try not to read Ranger threads, and have avoided posting for a couple of years. So maybe this has been clear already, but this seems to me to be a clear admission that Ranger was lying about his training and racing and rowing from 2004-2007 on this forum and the UK forum, since he repeatedly claimed at that time to be doing timed rows at various distances and sharpening at various times during those years, including during that last year of the US indoor rowing team, when he was supposed to be doing that stuff each month and submitting the info to the coaches.

Since 2007 or so on, it has been more or less the same posts every day, several times a day, and he stopped claiming to be doing anything that could be measured or verified.
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Post by ranger » November 10th, 2009, 2:13 pm

michaelb wrote:Ranger was lying about his training and racing and rowing from 2004-2007 on this forum and the UK forum, since he repeatedly claimed at that time to be doing timed rows at various distances and sharpening at various times during those years, including during that last year of the US indoor rowing team, when he was supposed to be doing that stuff each month and submitting the info to the coaches.
Not at all.

A couple of trials here and there, including a few races every year, doesn't constitute either distance rowing or sharpening, at least, it doesn't for me.

If it does for you, you should check out some of the major training plans, which focus on just these matters.

By and large, from 2004 until just recently, I have just been doing foundational rowing, low rate rowing at a high stroking power, working on technique.

BTW, it isn't bad at all to do this sort of rowing.

For the most part, you don't get better by doing distance rowing and sharpening.

You get better by improving your foundational rowing--your technique and stroking power.

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P.S. I have never been on the US Indoor Rowing Team. I tried out for the team (and even broke my own world record in one of these trials) but was never chosen to be on the team.
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Post by ranger » November 10th, 2009, 2:21 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote: So in what way is Brian Bailey's performance of any importance to you?
Just responding to Henry.

Would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old lwt?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old lwt has ever gone.
As you said yourself, there is no age category, medal or WR for 59-year-olds. The category is 55 to 59 years of a age.

A 6:41 is three seconds over the age group WR.
Indeed.

So would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old has ever gone.

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Post by michaelb » November 10th, 2009, 2:21 pm

ranger wrote:"...until just recently..."
You have posted that claim 100s of times over the past 5 years. It has never been true. No one can possibly believe it is true this time.
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Post by ranger » November 10th, 2009, 2:22 pm

michaelb wrote:
ranger wrote:"...until just recently..."
You have posted that claim 100s of times over the past 5 years. It has never been true. No one can possibly believe it is true this time.
Believe what you want.

Skepticism is your disease, not mine.

What you believe is irrelevant.

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Post by ranger » November 10th, 2009, 2:23 pm

michaelb wrote:
ranger wrote:"...until just recently..."
You have posted that claim 100s of times over the past 5 years. It has never been true. No one can possibly believe it is true this time.
You have no patience.

Distance trials, coming up.

Then sharpening.

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Post by KevJGK » November 10th, 2009, 3:02 pm

ranger wrote: You have no patience.

Distance trials, coming up.
“Patience”; you have to be joking? You are unashamedly and transparently an attention seeker.

You have said “distance trials, coming up” umpteen times over the last few years and reported none. But you fool nobody. You continue to do your distance trials, and your results remain consistent. You will never voluntarily post results here because that would conclude your silly charade.

The only reported distance results will come from the race venues and if you want those in advance just ask hjs.

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Post by JohnBove » November 10th, 2009, 6:29 pm

ranger wrote:Skepticism is your disease, not mine.
If one ignores the fact that skepticism is a sign of a healthy mind, you're correct. You're no skeptic, least of all toward your own mental health.

Your diseases, if we can use the term somewhat loosely, would be pathological lying, clinical narcissism and, very possibly, Asberger's syndrome.

Have you considered the fact that you've sent some what: 20,000 posts? -- to forums on two continents at neither of which is there evidence of a single person who can bear you, except as an object of derision, irritation, sport, and dark, compulsive amusement?

You're a very sad case. Your goals are hopelessly unrealistic, which you certainly know, given your continuous attempts to rewrite, excuse, reframe, and lie about your yearly series of failures to meet them. People have from time to time and in all seriousness suggested you get help. You should heed them.

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Post by snowleopard » November 10th, 2009, 6:39 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote: Just responding to Henry.

Would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old lwt?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old lwt has ever gone.
As you said yourself, there is no age category, medal or WR for 59-year-olds. The category is 55 to 59 years of a age.

A 6:41 is three seconds over the age group WR.
Indeed.

So would 6:41 be good for a 59-year-old?

Yep.

I would guess it would be the fastest that a 59-year-old has ever gone.
And apart from you, trying to put yourself on a self constructed podium with standing room for one only, who cares?

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Post by ranger » November 11th, 2009, 3:55 am

KevJGK wrote:But you fool nobody.
True.

The erg is a truth machine, and I race more than anybody.

So, the results of my training are clear as a bell.

Last year, I had the best 2K time in a age and weight division by three seconds.

You can't be better than the best.

No foolin'.

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Post by ranger » November 11th, 2009, 4:01 am

I am doing distance rowing now.

After I am done with distance rowing, I will do full set of distance trials and then full sharpening.

It has been al long time since I did distance rowing, distance trials, and full sharpening.

Since 2004, I have just been doing foundational rowing, both OTW and off, trying to improve my technique and stroking power.

That project is no complete.

I now row well.

So, no need for more foundational rowing.

Distance rowing is best done at 10 MPS.

At 10 MPS, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI) seems to be the groove I settle into.

So, I am just doing a lot of that (or variations thereof).

1:43 is my 5K pb.

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