Missing Persons

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » February 9th, 2005, 5:27 am

Some people seem to have disappeared off the face of e-row Marilyn. Cees Mark Payton Paul Flack Have you gone to Row Pro? Anybody know what the story is? Sir Pirate

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » February 9th, 2005, 9:00 am

I have been on RowPro most of the time. But, I do still look at E-row workouts to see what is compatible with my schedule. I rowed with Dr. Alex Targ two weeks ago on e-row. I hadn't seen him for over a year. We rowed mornings together for a two or three month stretch about a year ago. Hopefully, I talked him into upgrading to RowPro and rejoining the on-line rowing community. I just e-mailed Jim Brinsfield, second at M/50/H CRASH-B 2004. We had regular sessions together just before CRASH-B last year. He is eager to start on-line training again. I tried to talk him into using RowPro too. You might as well face it, E-row is on the way out. It isn't supported any more and the new machines can't use it. E-row was great during its time, but now it is time for you to either get a copy of RowPro, or at least go to the Digital Rowing server and join the other rowers who are using RowPro. (I am fairly sure PM2+/E-row is allowed in RowPro workouts and races.) Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] andyArvid · Post by **[old] andyArvid** » February 9th, 2005, 10:55 am

Yesterday was a holiday here. I was going to join Nigel and company for the 10k workout. Unfortunately, a violent rain storm hit and about ten minutes before the race we lost power. So I pulled out. I still check e-row daily. I don't check rowpro because they once again deleted my registration. Marilyn has a note on the supercanoa site about <a href='http://www.supercanoa.de/2005/editorial/webmast01.htm' target='_blank'>OIRC</a>. Looks like OIRC is going to be in May, so I got a few months to make lightweight. Saude, andy

[old] ceesie · Post by **[old] ceesie** » February 12th, 2005, 12:27 am

I haven't rowed much since my trip to Europe unfortunately. Have been sick for a while and quite busy at work. Quite out of shape therefore. But I'm ready to turn up the online rowing volume again... Looking forward to do some weekend (handicap) racing again. Any takers? Cees

[old] andyArvid · Post by **[old] andyArvid** » February 12th, 2005, 8:06 am

Hello Cees, I'm willing and somewhat able. I have not done any racing since the x-mas relay except for one failed 30 minute attempt last month with Sir Pirate. I have slowed down my already slow pace and have been rowing longer pieces (12k at 2:11-12 and 15k at 2:13-14) I'd be up for anything between 2k and 10k, preferably in the 4-6k range. I'm free pretty much all day Sunday. andy

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » February 12th, 2005, 8:09 am

Hi Cees, glad to see you back in action. I am up for some more handicap events. Think I am due a 10K pb soon if anybody fancies a thrash about. Can't make your 12K today Thomas as I have just ripped my lungs out over the mile Sir Pirate

[old] JaapR · Post by **[old] JaapR** » February 15th, 2005, 2:34 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Canoeist @ Feb 9 2005, 08:00 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You might as well face it, E-row is on the way out. It isn't supported any more and the new machines can't use it. E-row was great during its time, but now it is time for you to either get a copy of RowPro, or at least go to the Digital Rowing server and join the other rowers who are using RowPro. (I am fairly sure PM2+/E-row is allowed in RowPro workouts and races.) Cheers, Paul Flack </td></tr></table> Hi Paul, Since a few weeks I'm joining the internet racing using e-row. At this moment RowPro is not an option, because it will probably not run on W98, 64K RAM. Don't understand why C2 comes with new hardware (PM3) but don't support it with a new software version that supports internet racing. Think you are right that because of this there will be in time less e-row internet racers, so I hope there is a way for e-row/PM2+ users to join the RowPro's on the digital rowing server. But I don't know how these can be combined. Do you or anyone else? Jaap

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » February 15th, 2005, 6:56 pm

I really hope it is not the end of erow. Right now, there are a good number of people who are at, right below, or right above my speed. Those people are (in no particular order)" JappR umchugga SirPirate Nigel Patrick Canoeist Cees DougB Anders and others whose names escape me. I am not going to find this sort of competiveness or desire as I have found on the e-row. Plus the frequency of training/racing is far more than the few erg races that I get to compete at during the year. I have had some really good sessions in the last few days. Yesterday, I did 15 x 3 minutes with 1 minute rest with JaapR and Christine. JaapR was around 1:43/4 for most of the pieces (or better) and I was around 1:46/7 for most of the pieces(or better). In the 14th three-minute piece, I really got on it. I started out at 1:40. JaapR responded with 1:40. I took it to 1:38. JaapR responded with 1:37. I took it to 1:33. JaapR to 1:32. I took it to 1:29. JaapR to 1:28. Todays 10k with JaapR and umchugga saw JaapR nudging out umchugga by .2 of second and they were really going at it. JaapR lead most of the way, punching out to a 30 meter lead or so over umchugga. umchugga would pull closer with 1:46 to which JaapR would punch out again using 1:44/5. At one point, they were even and I believe umchugga actaully lead near the end. I even considered trying to get into the mix but I had to stop right after the 1000meter mark to take my shirt off (I was at a 1:48.9 pace when I stopped and finished with a 1:49.7 pace). JaapR and umchugga where in the low 1:30's as they sprinted for the line. Result: 1. JaapR 35:46.9; 2. umchugga 35:47.1. I will comment more on this later. But just to note that it is so important to be persistent in training. It is not necessary to kill yourself to have a good training session. The near death experiences have been really good for me.

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » February 15th, 2005, 7:03 pm

Nice row guys, was looking to get my revenge on you Thomas and Jaap for last week, I got dumped out off e-row after about 30m, was not happy Will try and make the 5k on Thursday. Sir Pirate

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » February 15th, 2005, 11:48 pm

[attachmentid=18][attachmentid=17]I think it is a good idea to occasionally do things outside the box. Last year some time, I invited rowers in my age and weight group to compete toward having the fastest 5k time by 2359 hours on November 1, 2004 with the intent of the competition as a way for me to prepare for the BIRC. The winner would receive a plaque, payed for by the competitors, with the names, countries, and times rowed and with some sort of competitive saying. It turns out Nick Rockliff won (47 years old). Anyhow, . . . Looking back on this challenge, I think I made it too vague. I think a better idea would have been to have a series of 5k's done over a set period of time to where the person with the lowest cummulative time would be the winner. I think also to keep it attainable for everyone, there would be a minimun time a person could record for each 5k. For example: Over a six month period, a person would be required to do six 5k pieces. The first 5k, the fastest time a person could recieve would be 17:45 and the slowest of 18:00. The second, 17:30 and the slowest of 17:45. The third, 17:15 and the slowest of 17:30. The third, 17:00 and the slowest of 17:15. The fourth, 16:45 and the slowest of 17:00. The fifth, 16:30 and the slowest of 16:45. And, the sixth would be your actual time or the slowest of 16:45. It would keep people in the ball park if they got sick and also allow someone to progress toward the end knowing if they had a bad day they would not be penalized too badly. I tried to attached a picture of the medal that was sent to Nick, but it appears to be not working. Cees provided the design for the logo.

[old] DougB · Post by **[old] DougB** » February 16th, 2005, 12:28 am

I stayed away from e-row for a while to train for the 2K. Now that that's over, I'd be up for some more online rowing. A 5K series like Thomas suggested would be fine. Or, various workouts where we could all synch-up at points would work. During the week, though, I'd rather be rowing around 0000 - 0100 GMT, but that doesn't seem to match many others. I'm more flexible on the weekends. Also, I typically don't logon to e-row unless I hear about an event on the forum or think to check rerow.com, so please advertise! One idea I'd like to try is rowing without looking at the clock. Something like having each rower state their desired time, then tape over the monitor and e-row screen so all we see are meters counting down. The closest to the target time wins. Though now that I think of it, that gets tricky because as each rower finishes, e-row displays the finish time. So it looks like a lot of tape would be needed.

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » February 16th, 2005, 9:20 am

"RowPro is not an option, because it will probably not run on W98, 64K RAM. " That is correct. But you can still use E-row with rowers using RowPro if you do it on the digitalrowing server. "Don't understand why C2 comes with new hardware (PM3) but don't support it with a new software version that supports internet racing." Internet racing was such a small proportion of the market that it wasn't cost effective. Concept sells thousands of ergs each year, but there were only about a dozen rowers using e-row when the PM3 came out. "I hope there is a way for e-row/PM2+ users to join the RowPro's on the digital rowing server. " This is supposed to work. Give it a try. Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] JaapR · Post by **[old] JaapR** » February 16th, 2005, 4:13 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Canoeist @ Feb 16 2005, 08:20 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Concept sells thousands of ergs each year, but there were only about a dozen rowers using e-row when the PM3 came out. Cheers, Paul Flack </td></tr></table> Thanks for the advise. However I'm a little unsure about replacing my very stable, and always running version of e-row 4.0 by the download of e-row 4.1 beta. According to the information at www.digitalrowing.com/NEOTEKWEB/Content/Oarbits/403.htm ( <a href='http://www.digitalrowing.com/NEOTEKWEB/ ... ts/403.htm' target='_blank'>digital rowing</a>) version e-row 4.1 is needed to use the digital rowing server and it is recommended that the old version 4.0 is uninstalled first. E-row 4.1 beta will also install new (beta?) drivers. Which version of e-row are you (everyone reading this) using? See e-row menu: help-about e-row. I Would appreciate feedback about the beta 4.1 and/or experience from e-row users rowing at the digital rowing server. Which software are you using Paul? Both e-row and rowpro with a pm2+ monitor? Also wondering if it is worthwile to race with Rowpro's at digital rowing. As mentioned by Thomas there are still a dozen (list + Christine, Pedro and Thomas) of active e-rowers racing two or three times a week at the e-row server. Good to see the Canoeist on that list as well. Jaap

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » February 17th, 2005, 5:27 am

I have re-installed the rowpro 1.7 with the new beta 5 update. The internet racing is not working at all for me. I might be able to troubleshoot it, but I don't care that much since there is really no one available to train with me on rowpro. I did pay $99 for the program. I think I have e-row 4.1 installed. If you have not had a problem with whatever version of erow you have installed, I would not change it. I have Windows XP, I think I have the 4.1, and it works fine. Problems in the past had to do with the screen saver activating which would freeze the boat activity but you were still connected to the other participants. When the piece was over as indicated by the PM2+, the erow would unfreeze and spit out a result. It would also allow you to continue to monitor the "+" and "-" differences between the rower ahead of you and behind you as well as indicating your current position. The erow with the "digitalrowing" configuration does not allow the icons to change when chatting. Since I don't use the rowpro for internet racing, there are people racing/training on the "e-row" configuraton, and I own a Model C PM2+, I am not using the digitalrowing server. I tried racing with Cees on rowpro back in November. The pace indicators were annoyingly erratic. It did not record a result. It was not a pleasant experience. I actaully reverted back to the 1.6 version because of other problems with 1.7. I recently went back to 1.7 with the beta 5 updates but again I have not bothered to troubleshoot the internet racing problem. As long as people are using e-row and Marilyn is hosting competitions with erow, I don't have an urgency to change or troubleshoot another program. As you know, what we see here on the erow is the same thing that is presented at race venues.

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » February 21st, 2005, 7:06 pm

When I use E-row, I use version 4.1.0 (build 115). I have used it without problem for over a year. I think this version is the current version available for a free download. If Digital Rowing suggests that you use E-row 4.1 for rowing with RowPro, then I suggest that you do the download. They seem to know what works with their program. Thomas, old versions of RowPro will not work with 1.7 Beta 5. I have been using 1.7 beta 5 for several months without problems. It has been stable and has only had minor errors. I have used it for marathons and 1/2 marathons, so it works for long times. Cheers, Paul