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[hjs]

When did you last row a FM?

He certainly won,t tell you but I do know though. He did a fm at 2.06 pace, it was some sort of bet with Byron if I am not mistaken, but that's just out of the top of my hat.

That was more or less the last time he let himself lure is posting a screenshoot of his works outs.

[ranger]

When did you last row a FM?

He certainly won,t tell you but I do know though. He did a fm at 2.06 pace, it was some sort of bet with Byron if I am not mistaken, but that's just out of the top of my hat.

That was more or less the last time he let himself lure is posting a screenshoot of his works outs.

My pb is 2:40, but I am much better than that now.

Now, when I am fully trained for it, I'll do 2:32.

2:32 is both Rob Slocum's long-standing 50s hwt WR--and, more exciting yet, the Open lwt WR (such as it is, through logged in times to the C2 website).

The effectiveness of your technique has a _huge_ effect on your FM time.

Back in 2003, given my poor technique and imbalanced training, my FM time was 3 seconds per 500m slower than it should have been, given my 2K.

My FM pb should have been 1:51 but was only 1:54.

Now, with my better technique and therefore more effective stroking, my FM pace will be 1:48.

ranger

[KevJGK]

Now, when I am fully trained for it, I'll do 2:32.

2:32 is both Rob Slocum's long-standing 50s hwt WR

Do you realise for a WR to be valid you can't just "claim" it.

You actually have to "perform" it.

[ranger]

Now, when I am fully trained for it, I'll do 2:32.

2:32 is both Rob Slocum's long-standing 50s hwt WR

Do you realise for a WR to be valid you can't just "claim" it.

You actually have to "perform" it.

Sure.

That's what I am training for.

Just doing a lot of 1:48 @ 26 spm (10.6 MPS, 10.7 SPI)

Relaxing stuff.

When I get to a continuous 2.5 hours of it, I'll give you a hoot so that you can validate my claim.

ranger

[whp4]

Now, when I am fully trained for it, I'll do 2:32.

2:32 is both Rob Slocum's long-standing 50s hwt WR

Key distinction: Slocum rowed a FM in 2 hours 32 minutes, not at 2 minutes 32 seconds / 500m average pace

When I get to a continuous 2.5 hours of it, I'll give you a hoot so that you can validate my claim.

Oh, you'll be giving us lots of hoots before then

[Byron Drachman]

When did you last row a FM?

He certainly won,t tell you but I do know though. He did a fm at 2.06 pace, it was some sort of bet with Byron if I am not mistaken, but that's just out of the top of my hat.

That was more or less the last time he let himself lure is posting a screenshoot of his works outs.

Hi Henry,

A while ago, I don't remember exactly when, somebody said he would send Ranger a check for a few hundred dollars if he would row 40K (short of a marathon) and post a screen shot. He did it on just row, so he undoubtedly took many breaks, and his average pace showed around 2:11. It was a far cry from his FM@1:48, which he has been predicting for years but never gets around to doing.

Our bet (for a hat) was a little different. I challenged him to do a FM and if he did a FM by the end of the month in which we made the bet, then I also had to do a FM within two weeks of his performance, and we were going to compare our handicapped times based on the world records for our respective weight classes and age groups. If he failed to do a FM then I would be the winner of the bet. The deadline passed for Ranger. He wasn't fully trained and sharpened. You know the drill. After much cajoling, he did send me the hat.

Byron

[ranger]

I challenged him to do a FM and if he did a FM by the end of the month in which we made the bet, then I also had to do a FM within two weeks of his performance, and we were going to compare our handicapped times based on the world records for our respective weight classes and age groups. If he failed to do a FM then I would be the winner of the bet. The deadline passed for Ranger. He wasn't fully trained and sharpened. You know the drill. After much cajoling, he did send me the hat.

Yea, I was still doing foundational rowing with my new technique at the time.

I hadn't yet made the transition to distance rowing, as I have now.

So at that time, it wasn't productive, or perhaps even possible, for me to do a FM using my new technique.

It is entirely possible now, though.

I am training for it right now--every day.

I'll tell you when I get it done.

Pretty soon, I think.

In fact, I might start rowing continuous FMs as regular sessions.

I now have the technique and endurance I need to do this.

If I get into this regimen, I'll just row these FM sessions harder and harder until I get one done at 1:48.

ranger

[bloomp]

I challenged him to do a FM and if he did a FM by the end of the month in which we made the bet, then I also had to do a FM within two weeks of his performance, and we were going to compare our handicapped times based on the world records for our respective weight classes and age groups. If he failed to do a FM then I would be the winner of the bet. The deadline passed for Ranger. He wasn't fully trained and sharpened. You know the drill. After much cajoling, he did send me the hat.

Yea, I was still doing foundational rowing with my new technique at the time.

I hadn't yet made the transition to distance rowing, as I have now.

ranger

"new" technique. THERE IS ONLY ONE TECHNIQUE. I don't know how the hell it can be considered new, but that's the beautiful uniform thing about rowing, there is ONE way to do it properly. ONE. With a thousand small variations of handle height and ratio, but there is ONE proper technique.

So clearly you've sucked these last four years if you JUST now got your 'technique' down.

Pathetic.

[ranger]

A while ago, I don't remember exactly when, somebody said he would send Ranger a check for a few hundred dollars if he would row 40K (short of a marathon) and post a screen shot. He did it on just row, so he undoubtedly took many breaks, and his average pace showed around 2:11. It was a far cry from his FM@1:48, which he has been predicting for years but never gets around to doing.

The bet wasn't that I could do a continuous FM.

The bet was whether I could cite evidence of doing one gf my "rowing with breaks" foundational workouts for 40K, as I often did, averaging overall around 2:00, breaks included.

I did the harder rowing at 1:48, in my normal free interval format, with passive breaks.

Then, yes, including the passive breaks, the row came out to be 2:10 pace or so, which would have been 2:00 pace if I had taken active breaks, just as I said it would.

Given this result, the ratio of work to rest was about five to one.

For every 108 seconds rowed, I rested 22 seconds.

For instance, if I did 2K @ 1:48, I rested just under a couple of minutes; then I took off again.

I pulled 12 SPI.

ranger

[ranger]

"new" technique. THERE IS ONLY ONE TECHNIQUE. I don't know how the hell it can be considered new, but that's the beautiful uniform thing about rowing, there is ONE way to do it properly. ONE. With a thousand small variations of handle height and ratio, but there is ONE proper technique.

So clearly you've sucked these last four years if you JUST now got your 'technique' down.

Yes, exactly.

But now I row well.

Happy about that.

Why?

No rower much over 40 has ever rowed well (at normal rates), much less someone who is approaching 60.

Pathetic?

Perhaps.

But so it goes.

My excuses for taking so long, I guess, are a nasty combination of lack of experience with rowing and highly effective bad habits.

I suppose the fact that no one my age has ever come close to doing it before (and no one my age might ever come close to doing it again when I am dead and gone) might be another excuse in my favor.

What's are _your_ excuses?



Permanent swine flu?

Henry's excuses seem to be height, weight, and injury.

ranger

[bloomp]

I don't go around making big boasts. I don't go around putting people down, people who work hard and are honest.

[snowleopard]

A while ago, I don't remember exactly when, somebody said he would send Ranger a check for a few hundred dollars if he would row 40K (short of a marathon) and post a screen shot. He did it on just row, so he undoubtedly took many breaks, and his average pace showed around 2:11. It was a far cry from his FM@1:48, which he has been predicting for years but never gets around to doing.

The bet wasn't that I could do a continuous FM.

The best was whether I could cite evidence of doing one gf my "rowing with breaks" foundational workouts for 40K, as I often did, averaging overall around 2:00, breaks included.

I did the harder rowing at 1:48, in my normal free interval format, with passive breaks.

Then, yes, including the passive breaks, the row came out to be 2:10 pace or so, which would have been 2:00 pace if I had taken active breaks, just as I said it would.

Given this result, the ratio of work to rest was about five to one.

For every 108 seconds rowed, I rested 22 seconds.

For instance, if I did 2K @ 1:48, I rested just under a couple of minutes; then I took off again.

I pulled 12 SPI.

And we're supposed take your word for that? Don't make me laugh

This is the man how reported many of his early distance rows as if they were continuous when they were in fact "Just Rows".

[ranger]

I don't go around making big boasts. I don't go around putting people down, people who work hard and are honest.

Targets are not boasts if you get them done.

They are just goals.

We all have goals, no?

ranger

[ranger]

I don't go around putting people down, people who work hard and are honest.

This forum is about training strategies, etc., what works, etc.

I assume that we all work hard and are honest.

That's another issue altogether.

I have objected to someone working hard and being honest?

Hardly.

ranger

[ranger]

And we're supposed take your word for that?

Believe what you want.

Skepticism (nay-saying) is _your_ disease, not mine.

Fatal stuff.

Nay-sayers and skeptics are fools.

They have nothing positive to contribute.

ranger