The Equalizer

hjs · Post by **hjs** » October 31st, 2009, 6:53 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:
hjs wrote:
Because I don't race my training and report the times over the distances raced?

ranger

Ps but I you show your 60 min row I will show you mine

That's what I am training for.
I'll start putting a clock on these 60min efforts pretty soon.
Then I'll work toward a 60min trial.
No need to rush this, though.
I have all falll and winter to get this done.
Everything hangs in the balance.
Your 2K is only as good as your 60min row.
My 60min pb is 1:48.
I think I am quite a bit better than that now.
1:44?
Perhaps 1:43.

ranger

I will predict 3 things again

1 You best 60 min row will much closer to my 1.55 guess then your stated numbers.
2 You will not pb on this 60min, or any other distance that is.
3 You won,t show a 60 min result.

hahahaha

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 31st, 2009, 9:27 am

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:
Ps but I you show your 60 min row I will show you mine

That's what I am training for.
I'll start putting a clock on these 60min efforts pretty soon.
Then I'll work toward a 60min trial.
No need to rush this, though.
I have all falll and winter to get this done.
Everything hangs in the balance.
Your 2K is only as good as your 60min row.
My 60min pb is 1:48.
I think I am quite a bit better than that now.
1:44?
Perhaps 1:43.

ranger
I will predict 3 things again

1 You best 60 min row will much closer to my 1.55 guess then your stated numbers.
2 You will not pb on this 60min, or any other distance that is.
3 You won,t show a 60 min result.

hahahaha

I don't understand your ill will.

Does it make you feel good?

Pretty low behavior.

Oh well.

I guess some people are just assholes.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » October 31st, 2009, 9:51 am

ranger wrote: I don't understand your ill will.

Does it make you feel good?

Pretty low behavior.

Oh well.

I guess some people are just assholes.

ranger

My ill will? Look who is talking, we made we fair and simple bet and you won,t pay your debt old fool

You are right, some people are indeed assholes.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 31st, 2009, 12:09 pm

Fully trained, 1:40 for 2K predicts 1:50 for 60min.

Without sharpening, 1:40 for 2K predicts 1:47 for 60min.

Without distance/threshold rowing, 1:40 for 2K predicts...

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 31st, 2009, 12:11 pm

hjs wrote:pay your debt

Yes, I am sure you will pay up when I hit my first distance target.

You are a stand-up guy who honors his bets.

$2000 will come in handy just before the Christmas holidays.

ranger

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » October 31st, 2009, 3:24 pm

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:pay your debt
Yes, I am sure you will pay up when I hit my first distance target.
You are a stand-up guy who honors his bets.
$2000 will come in handy just before the Christmas holidays.
ranger

Ranger on May 5, 2009 wrote: I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer.
If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 1st, 2009, 2:32 am

It doesn't even take 100 kgs.of peak pressure to pull a solid distance/threshold pace, e.g., 1:44 @ 28 spm.

10.3 MPS, 11.1 SPI

100 kgs. is not that much.

100 kgs. is about the weight of most male heavyweights.

I only weigh 75 kgs. and I now pull 1:44 @ 28 spm just naturally.

Distance rowing, then, is not at all about brute strength.

It is all about technical, skeletal-muscular, and physiological efficiency--balance, quickness, swing, timing, rhythm, posture, consistency, relaxation, flexibility, etc.

Distance rowing is not about effort; it is all about _ease_.

Just doin' it and doin' it--easily.

If you can do 1:44 @ 28 spm for 30K, you are one of the best lightweight rowers in the world.

Lots of lightweight rowers can pull 17.3K/1:44 for 60min.

Some can pull 18K.

But they don't hang around these C2 training fora.

They are all on National Teams.

Last year no lightweight males logged in a 17K/1:46 60min row, much less 17.3K/1:44.

Stuart Bizzarri 42 Kirkcaldy GBR 16972 IND
Paul Woodland 34 The Green health club , Charing Kent GBR 16920 IND
Chris Kemp 19 Evans GA USA 16683 IND
1 Gregory Cook 39 Bainbridge Island WA USA 16681 C2Log
2 Jamie Pfeffer 36 New York City NY USA 16658 IND_V
3 Travis King 21 St. Catharines ON CAN 16643 IND
4 Egli Gerold 38 Küsnacht CHE 16550 IND
5 Robert Smith 38 Birmingham West Mids GBR 16495 IND
6 Toby Smith 24 Littlehampton GBR 16483 IND
7 Greg Trahar 50 Eltham, London GBR 16473 IND_V
8 Bruno Mehech 21 Los Angeles CA USA 16418 IND
9 Markku Henriksson 45 Oulu FIN 16406 IND
10 Vincent Brunning 27 Plymouth GBR 16402 RowPro

The 50s heavyweight WR for 60min is 17K/ 1:46 pace.

Lots of 1:44 @ 28 spm (10.3 MPS, 11.1 SPI) for the next four months.

30K a day, in various arrangements.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 1st, 2009, 2:55 am

Byron Drachman wrote:
ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:pay your debt
Yes, I am sure you will pay up when I hit my first distance target.
You are a stand-up guy who honors his bets.
$2000 will come in handy just before the Christmas holidays.
ranger

Ranger on May 5, 2009 wrote: I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer.
If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost.

Yes, these bets will soon be settled.

Henry is already looking for his checkbook and pen in anticipation of paying up what he will owe me.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 1st, 2009, 6:19 am

ranger wrote: Yes, these bets will soon be settled.

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
KevJGK wrote: In all seriousness, under what circumstances would you concede that hjs has won the bet?
If the times I log in the various races this year fall well short of my targets, even though I am fully trained.

I haven't done any races yet.

ranger
This is again nonsens. This season has nothing to do with it. Althoug he now says that he will pay after this season.

I will again open a thread to tell the simple facts

Ranger has made 3 bet's 2 with me and one small one with Roy Brook.

The one with Roy was simple, he has to show up at Wirc and weigh in ass a lightweight to win. This was for 20 dollars. He did not weigh in at all so this one he lost.

The second one was a bet about last season. It was about his 2k that year, it has 2 sides, the one side was about 2000 dollars, if he rowed a 6.16 2k I would have lost and had to pay him 2k.

The other side was him being slower than 6.40, If that was to be case I would have won and he should to pay me 1000 $

This was for season 2008/09, last season.

The outcome was clear, although ranger did very well for his age in my view he did not go sub 6.40 so I won.

He admited that fact and begged me to have mercy and give him a change to win his debt back. This is not made up he really begged! it was quite embarrising seing a grown man doing that

So I told him: "you have lost this one so you have to pay me, but I will offer you the change to win you money back and even double it. If you at any time during the rest of his life erg any one of your goals I will pay you 2000 dollars".

So in short, he ows 1020 dollars and refuses to pay up.

And if he does what is saying I will pay him 2k

The facts, so again a lie from you, you won,t pay up your debs, to quote you "some people are just assholes"

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 1st, 2009, 6:44 am

hjs wrote:you won't pay up your debs,

Not true.

I gave Byron that ridiculous-looking hat he won.

And I will be happy to accept your check for $2000 when I hit my first distance target this fall/winter.

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 1st, 2009, 7:12 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:you won't pay up your debs,
Not true.

I gave Byron that ridiculous-looking hat he won.

And I will be happy to accept your check for $2000 when I hit my first distance target this fall/winter.

ranger

Clearly that wasn't the bet. As it stands you owe Henry $1000 and should pay.

Henry has very graciously given you an opportunity to recoup what is owed plus an additional $1000. As it stands, if you row 6:16 (haha) Henry will owe you $1000 not $2000, unless of course you pay the $1000 as agreed.

You are as much of a sissy when it comes to betting as you are to head racing

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 1st, 2009, 11:19 am

No, Henry bet me $3000 that I couldn't hit even one of my targets--ever.

So, I have a number of opportunities to recoup my $1000 loss (and realize an additional $2000 gain).

My various targets are in my signature.

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » November 1st, 2009, 11:44 am

ranger wrote:No, Henry bet me $3000 that I couldn't hit even one of my targets--ever.

So, I have a number of opportunities to recoup my $1000 loss (and realize an additional $2000 gain).

My various targets are in my signature.

ranger

Well since you haven't paid it's only a paper loss. Anyhow, if you're so bullish about the outcome why so shy of paying the $1000? You shouldn't take wagers if you can't afford to pay.

hjs · Post by **hjs** » November 2nd, 2009, 4:03 am

ranger wrote:No, Henry bet me $3000 that I couldn't hit even one of my targets--ever.

So, I have a number of opportunities to recoup my $1000 loss (and realize an additional $2000 gain).

My various targets are in my signature.

ranger

?? being That Henry I can tell you that you are again bending the truth.

After you begging me to have pitty on an old man and that 1000$ dollars was a lot of money , although you every now and then boost about your big profits on the stock market, I Told you this:

"No we made a clear and sure bet, you have lost this one and you have to pay, periode."

But I give you a change to WIN YOUR MONEY BACK

, if you settle this lost bet, I give you the change to row any of your lifelong erging goals, if you do this I will give you back twice what you pay me.
The goals are the goals in your signature pointing at 6.16. You also don,t have a "number of opportunities", you have the rest of your life, there are no time limits.

So pay up and then go for the rematch

ranger · Post by **ranger** » November 2nd, 2009, 5:01 am

If you are a lightweight with a sprightly stroke (i.e., quick finishes and recoveries), you should be able to do 30 spm at your anaerobic threshold, and if you are a seasoned endurance athlete, you can work for an hour, or even two hours, at your anaerobic threshold.

Head racing!

If so, then the only thing that determines how fast or slow you are in the 60min/HM/30K row (and because of the relationship between distance times and 2K times, the 2K) is the stroking power of your light distance stroke ("frothing").

It looks as though the best lightweights, such as Eskild E., pull 11.7 SPI with their distance stroke.

I have been pushing up to that lately in my distance rowing, too.

Hey!

If you are lightweight and pull 11.7 SPI with your light distance stroke, and you just get on the erg and row at 30 spm--day after day--what else is to be done?

Put in a couple of hours.

Cross-train a couple of hours.

Do it again the next day.

_Great_stuff.

No need for any faster or slower rowing, lower or higher rate work, until a couple of months before racing.

Given my age and weight, 11.7 SPI @ 30 spm is WR 2K pace.

11 seconds per 500m faster than any 55s lwt can row for 60min

12 seconds faster than any 55s lwt can row for a HM.

14 seconds faster than any 55s lwt can row for 30K.

If you can do distance rowing at 30 spm, fully trained, you can do a 2K at 36-38 spm.

ranger