6:28 2K

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Post by hjs » October 29th, 2009, 2:05 pm

Yankeerunner wrote:
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ranger wrote:
No, I wasn't.

I was just as strong.

My full-body strength hasn't changed much at all over the years.

ranger

Nothing Changes in the batt cave, even lying in your coffin you will be just as strong and fit as ever :lol:
Must be a direct descendant of the Black Knight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

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Post by Steve G » October 30th, 2009, 7:03 am

ranger wrote:If I continue this training, I think I'll pull an at-home, 6:28 2K by the end of the month.

1:37 @ 34 spm (11.3 SPI).

Nice!

So, time to get to weight.

I weigh about 170 lbs. right now; so, I need to lose about five pounds to make weight.

http://img508.imageshack.us/i/dsc02224.jpg/

I only need to get to 12% fat to make weight, which isn't uncomfortable at all.

I am 14.5% fat now.

At 8% fat, I'll be 155 lbs., which is what I weighed when I was in college, 40 years ago.

I will want to weigh in for this trial.

No lightweight my age has ever come within ten seconds of 6:30, so this trial will be exciting.

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38; the 60s lwt WR is 6:42; I am a couple months shy of 59.

If I am successful with this trial, I will then be ready for a month or so of hard sharpening.

I usually get another dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

6:28 is my lwt pb.

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Rich

This is your first post when you started this thread for your trial end of September. Its now end of October, no trial, and not at weight yet despite all your hours of work, you must eat a mighty lot of pies!!

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Post by ranger » October 30th, 2009, 12:22 pm

Steve G wrote:not at weight
My weight is fine, in fact, for me, the best ever, given this early point in the indoor season.

Cross-training routines are all in place.

It is impossible for me to gain weight, and will remain so, from now until WIRC.

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Post by snowleopard » October 30th, 2009, 1:06 pm

ranger wrote:
Steve G wrote:not at weight
My weight is fine, in fact, for me, the best ever, given this early point in the indoor season.

Cross-training routines are all in place.

It is impossible for me to gain weight, and will remain so, from now until WIRC.

ranger
So you still have some weight to lose then.

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Post by DUThomas » October 30th, 2009, 2:11 pm

ranger wrote:It is impossible for me to gain weight, and will remain so, from now until WIRC.
"Impossible"? I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Post by bloomp » October 30th, 2009, 3:13 pm

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote:It is impossible for me to gain weight, and will remain so, from now until WIRC.
"Impossible"? I do not think it means what you think it means.
inconceivable was the word, but ranger does remind me of Vizzini. :D

for our purposes we shall have to speak in rhymes to drive him away
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Post by Steve G » October 30th, 2009, 3:16 pm

ranger wrote:
Steve G wrote:not at weight
My weight is fine, in fact, for me, the best ever, given this early point in the indoor season.

Cross-training routines are all in place.

It is impossible for me to gain weight, and will remain so, from now until WIRC.

ranger
As I said, you train hours per day, so If you didnt eat so much you would lose weight, simple mass balance equation.

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Post by DUThomas » October 30th, 2009, 5:39 pm

bloomp wrote:inconceivable was the word
True, but you play the hand you're dealt! :D
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Post by whp4 » October 30th, 2009, 10:24 pm

Steve G wrote: As I said, you train hours per day, so If you didnt eat so much you would lose weight, simple mass balance equation.
Gives a bit of reason to wonder if the hours of training might be yet another area where there's a bit of distortion of the truth, eh?

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Post by ranger » October 31st, 2009, 2:58 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:
Steve G wrote:not at weight
My weight is fine, in fact, for me, the best ever, given this early point in the indoor season.

Cross-training routines are all in place.

It is impossible for me to gain weight, and will remain so, from now until WIRC.

ranger
So you still have some weight to lose then.
I made weight in the middle of September, have maintained that weight until now, and will continue to maintain that weight until WIRC in February.

This year, weight is no longer an issue.

This helps a lot.

Since my weight is already where it needs to be, I can concentrate on my rowing.

In these last stages of training,the issue is rowing _fast_.

Fast rowing burns more carbs, so you don't want to be dieting when you do it, especially if you are doing it for long periods, as I will be over the next four months.

If I train, routinely, four hours a day, I burn 5000 calories a day, just in physical exercise.

If I burn that many calories in physical exercise, routinely, every day, I can eat whatever I want and still maintain my weight.

It is impossible for me to gain weight.

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Post by hjs » October 31st, 2009, 6:06 am

whp4 wrote:
Steve G wrote: As I said, you train hours per day, so If you didnt eat so much you would lose weight, simple mass balance equation.
Gives a bit of reason to wonder if the hours of training might be yet another area where there's a bit of distortion of the truth, eh?
If you never whatch the clock and never look at your av speed, how would you know what you did? That would racing your training!

So either he lying about that, or he is lying about the work he is doing, and more likely about both :lol:
Remember he did show us his total work once on his pm, for some strange reason a lot less meters then one would think and at a very modest pace also :P

Maybe it's something in the air in the batcave that is "confusing" him

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Post by ranger » October 31st, 2009, 6:50 am

hjs wrote:If you never whatch the clock and never look at your av speed, how would you know what you did?
When you do distance/threshold training, you just work up to your anaerobic threshold and hold it (or an hour or so).

No need for the clock.

I ran 8-10 miles per day this way for 25 years.

That's something like 10,000 hour sessions.

Over this quarter of century of running, it never occurred to me to time myself when I was out on one of these 8-10 mile runs.

Time yourself when you race.

That's the only place where it is relevant.

In training, just work hard.

Every day.

Every session.

That's all you can do do.

The clock is irrelevant.

When I first took up rowing, I just rowed for an hour, once or twice a day.

I never timed myself.

I just worked as hard as I could, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

When I sharpened for a couple of months and did my first 2K race, I was four seconds under the 50s lwt WR.

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Post by ranger » October 31st, 2009, 6:56 am

Knowing exactly how slow you are doesn't make you any faster.

In training, the clock is irrelevant.

What matters is the quality and quantity of your training.

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Post by hjs » October 31st, 2009, 7:02 am

ranger wrote:

Knowing exactly how slow you are doesn't make you any faster.


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True but it also doesn,t make you slower. So a remark with no value whatsoever :lol:

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Post by Yankeerunner » October 31st, 2009, 9:10 am

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:12 am Post subject:

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I'll go to Indianapolis for a second head race on Oct. 31st.



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Did this go any better than the 6:28 km by the end of September and the Grand River Challenge last week?

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