The Equalizer

[hjs]

Yes Rich

Glad you agree.

You can't be better than the best.

The rest is gravy.

And I have been mixing up a particularly rich and spicy one this time.

ranger

Ahh gravy that´s maybe that why you always have suchs problems with your weight

[snowleopard]

without even preparing for it

You've been preparing for it for six freakin' years

[ranger]

BTW, given all of the discussion about the costs of health care at the moment, most of which is just due to obesity, and therefore is entirely preventable; if everyone in the United States did four hours of physical exercise a day, as I have been doing most of the time these days, just spending as much time on their physical life as they did on other things, over a few years, collectively, the people of the United States might lose as much as two _billion_ pounds of fat.

ranger

Why not simply stop putting everything on your mouth, like every sane human being does

If Americans were sane, collectively, they wouldn't all be 50 lbs. overwieght.

In the 60s, the average American male weighed 160 lbs.

Go skinnies!

Six zillion Big Macs (super-sized fries,. a large coke, and a frosty) later, we're 50 lbs. heavier.

ranger

[hjs]

BTW, given all of the discussion about the costs of health care at the moment, most of which is just due to obesity, and therefore is entirely preventable; if everyone in the United States did four hours of physical exercise a day, as I have been doing most of the time these days, just spending as much time on their physical life as they did on other things, over a few years, collectively, the people of the United States might lose as much as two _billion_ pounds of fat.

ranger

Why not simply stop putting everything on your mouth, like every sane human being does

If Anericans were sane, collectively, they wouldn't all be 50 lbs. overwieght.

In the 60s, the average American male weighed 160 lbs.

ranger

I know, I always am more or less shocked when I am in the us, I am not a small man but lot's of people eat more at breakfast then I eat the hole days is many hotels, and not only the man, the woman also.
Then look at the portions pfffffffffffff R I D I C U L U S, I seldom clean my plate, and let's not talk about the amounts of coca cola

Your country is going down the drain, maybe you should move to China

[ranger]

without even preparing for it

You've been preparing for it for six freakin' years

Yes, the crucial part of my preparation is done, the only part that counts, really.

I am done with my work on technique and stroking power.

So I have overcome my major weaknesses.

I now row well.

The only thing left is to crank it up to racing speed again.

Six years?

Just about the average for this kind of thing, I would think.

It took Mike C. five years to build up to the lwt 6:18 he pulled when he was 40 in 2002.

So, just about exactly the same amount of time as it has taken me.

And Mike C. was a much more experienced rower.

ranger

[snowleopard]

So, just about exactly the same amount of time as it has taken me.

And Mike C. was a much more experienced rower.

Taken you to do what? Mike C rowed the 6:18. You didn't.

[ranger]

ranger

Thinking about 90% of the rowing stroke, don't you DNS about 90% of the races you enter?

Sure, you have to do a lot of hard aerobic and anaerobic work to do a 2K to the limits of your potential.

Considering this, doing three seconds better than anyone in my age and weight division last year, including the WR holder, without doing any hard aerobic and anaerobic work at all is a pretty good show.

My commitment over the last five years has been to overcoming my weaknesses, which have been technical and skeletal-motor, not physiological.

Really, after a point (e.g., a WR row), overcoming your weaknesses is the only way to improve.

Training as you always have, avoiding your weaknesses, and therefore racing the same time, or as the years go by, some slower time, again and again, doesn't make you better.

It just makes you worse.

On the other hand, if we can believe the scientists, who have determined that the minimal decline per year with age over 2K is .3 seconds, for someone who rows poorly when they are 20 years old, but trains maximally from when they are 20 years old to when they are 60 years old, learning to row well can overcome the entire decline with age over this 40 year span.

At 60, you can row like a 20-year-old.

Nice!

ranger

[ranger]

So, just about exactly the same amount of time as it has taken me.

And Mike C. was a much more experienced rower.

Taken you to do what? Mike C rowed the 6:18. You didn't.

I didn't start rowing until I was 50.

Mike started rowing as a teenager, over 30 years earlier.

Nonetheless, my lwt 6:28 when I was just shy of 53 years old is the full equivalent of Mike C.'s 6:18 when he was 40 years old.

My guess is that Mike will have a hard time pulling 6:28 when he is 53.

His best effort lately has been 6:27.7 two years ago, when he was 45.

He won't be 53 for another five years.

ranger

[hjs]

So, just about exactly the same amount of time as it has taken me.

And Mike C. was a much more experienced rower.

Taken you to do what? Mike C rowed the 6:18. You didn't.

My guess is that Mike will have a hard time pulling 6:28 when he is 53.
His best effort lately has been 6:27.7 two years ago, when he was 45.

He won't be 53 for another five years.

ranger

for once you may be right this process is called aging, you know that progress that makes you also slower every year.

[ranger]

this process is called aging

Aging reduces aerobic capacity, but it has no effect on technique.

Indeed, if you rowed poorly when you were younger, by improving your technique, you can row even faster when you are older, if your improvement in technique is more substantial than your decline in aerobic capacity.

If you row poorly, you can improve your 2K about 10% by learning how to row well.

If you train maximally, this is the equivalent of the effect of 40 years of aging on your aerobic capacity.

I am now six years older than I was when I pulled a lwt 6:28 in the fall of 2003, rowing _very_ poorly, in terms of my technique.

I now row well.

ranger

[hjs]

this process is called aging

Aging reduces aerobic capacity, but it has no effect on technique.

ranger

It's almost a gift Rich, but you are wrong again, aging has effects on all capacities, strength, power, endurance, flexibility.......

[snowleopard]

Nonetheless, my lwt 6:28 when I was just shy of 53 years old is the full equivalent of Mike C.'s 6:18 when he was 40 years old.

Or so you like to think because then in your head you are as good as Mike C.

full equivalent = aspirational bullshit of a desperate has been

In all my years of competition I have never seen anyone trying to tie their historical results to the performances of others in such a tortuous and pathetic manner. Do you keep your self esteem in a bucket under the sink?

[ranger]

you are as good as Mike C

I suppose we'll soon see how this comparison pans out.

We just have to wait a few years.

My speculation?

Now that I row well, no longer need to do foundational rowing, and am on my way to being fully trained, I think I will pull a lwt 6:16 for 2K when I am 60.

Given how Mike trains, I think he might have a hard time pulling a lwt 6:28 when he is 53.

ranger

[snowleopard]

you are as good as Mike C

I suppose we'll soon see how this comparison pans out.

We just have to wait a few years.

My speculation?

Now that I row well, no longer need to do foundational rowing, and am on my way to being fully trained, I think I will pull a lwt 6:16 for 2K when I am 60.

Given how Mike trains, I think he might have a hard time pulling a lwt 6:28 when he is 53.

ranger

Eh? What are we waiting for? You said you are already in the same place as Mike C was. Wherever that is since you haven't actually done anything that makes for a valid comparison.

You won't pull a lwt 6:16 when you are 60. You have great difficulty making weight and as you get older this gets more and more burdensome.

That's irrelevant anyway. A lwt 6:16 would make you a potential olympic medal winner. And guess what? No one aged 60 wins gold medals in rowing. You won't even break 6:30 as a lwt aged 60. But, like they say, there's no fool like an old fool

[ThatMoos3Guy]

Out of curiosity, why do you guys still argue? Seems kinda pointless. It's not like one side's just going to suddenly admit they're wrong.