6:28 2K

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » October 27th, 2009, 6:13 am

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:Head racing is not for sissies.
Sport is one thing.

Gratuitous suffering is another.

I don't see the point, really.

I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.

I have better things to do.

ranger

Rich
Thats probably the reaon you were an average runner if you dont like training in bad weather. We call it character building in the UK, slogging over muddy ploughed fields during the cross country season, training in all eathers throughout the year.
You need to get out of your batcave more, enjoy the great outdoors.

Steve
59 64 Kgs

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 27th, 2009, 8:29 am

Steve G wrote:
ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:Head racing is not for sissies.
Sport is one thing.

Gratuitous suffering is another.

I don't see the point, really.

I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.

I have better things to do.

ranger
Rich
Thats probably the reaon you were an average runner if you dont like training in bad weather. We call it character building in the UK, slogging over muddy ploughed fields during the cross country season, training in all eathers throughout the year.
You need to get out of your batcave more, enjoy the great outdoors.

Steve
59 64 Kgs

Yes, you should row OTW, too.

Why don't you try it?

I have been doing it (in all sorts of weather) now for five years.

BTW, I have also run about 40 marathons--in all types of weather.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 27th, 2009, 8:34 am

stroke wrote:
ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:Head racing is not for sissies.
Sport is one thing.

Gratuitous suffering is another.

I don't see the point, really.

I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.

I have better things to do.

ranger
But as you so frequently say "all sport is art" surely you are familiar with the expression "suffer for your art" Perhaps you are not an artist but just a dilletante

No, adverse conditions are not art.

And at 60 years of age, not much suffering needs to be done for anything.

Been there, done that.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » October 27th, 2009, 8:34 am

ranger wrote:
Steve G wrote:
ranger wrote: Sport is one thing.
Gratuitous suffering is another.
I don't see the point, really.
I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.
I have better things to do.
ranger
Rich
Thats probably the reaon you were an average runner if you dont like training in bad weather. We call it character building in the UK, slogging over muddy ploughed fields during the cross country season, training in all eathers throughout the year.
You need to get out of your batcave more, enjoy the great outdoors.

Steve
59 64 Kgs
Yes, you should row OTW, too.
Why don't you try it?I have been doing it (in all sorts of weather) now for five years.
BTW, I have also run about 40 marathons--in all types of weather.

ranger

run, run , rich you didn,t run you jogged

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 27th, 2009, 8:36 am

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
Steve G wrote: Rich
Thats probably the reaon you were an average runner if you dont like training in bad weather. We call it character building in the UK, slogging over muddy ploughed fields during the cross country season, training in all eathers throughout the year.
You need to get out of your batcave more, enjoy the great outdoors.

Steve
59 64 Kgs
Yes, you should row OTW, too.
Why don't you try it?I have been doing it (in all sorts of weather) now for five years.
BTW, I have also run about 40 marathons--in all types of weather.

ranger
run, run , rich you didn,t run you jogged

About 6:15 pace for the first 20 miles.

Yes.

Just a jog.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » October 27th, 2009, 8:51 am

ranger wrote: About 6:15 pace for the first 20 miles.

Yes.

Just a jog.

ranger

So here you also couldn,t pace yourself. Some would say live and learn

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » October 27th, 2009, 11:35 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:
ranger wrote: Yes, you should row OTW, too.
Why don't you try it?I have been doing it (in all sorts of weather) now for five years.
BTW, I have also run about 40 marathons--in all types of weather.

ranger
run, run , rich you didn,t run you jogged
About 6:15 pace for the first 20 miles.

Yes.

Just a jog.

ranger

Nobody gives a jot what time you were at 20 miles, its what time you finish at 26.2 miles that counts, same as a 2K, no good being at WR pace at 1400 metres then trundling over the line after blowing

whp4 · Post by **whp4** » October 27th, 2009, 12:01 pm

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:Head racing is not for sissies.
Sport is one thing.

Gratuitous suffering is another.

I don't see the point, really.

I don't train outside when the weather is nasty, either.

I have better things to do.

ranger

This from the guy who claims he ran until his feet froze, trying to make weight for a race in Chicago, that he floods his garage with sweat during the workouts where he spends more hours in a day than most do in a week. But as usual, when the real men compete, ranger is somewhere else, preparing his excuses. The old playground taunt of "yellow-bellied chicken sissy" seems to fit him pretty well, as a coordinated ensemble with "liar, liar, pants on fire"...

tdekoekkoek · Post by **tdekoekkoek** » October 27th, 2009, 12:17 pm

I try not to read these threads....

but I just can't look away!

rjw · Post by **rjw** » October 27th, 2009, 8:04 pm

ranger wrote:
Yes, you should row OTW, too.

Why don't you try it?

I have been doing it (in all sorts of weather) now for five years.

BTW, I have also run about 40 marathons--in all types of weather.

ranger

Been rowing on the water now for five years yet you will still row and call yourself a novice on your first OTW race. I would think that a novice rower is in there first year of OTW rowing, not 5 years into it.

And yes, I understand that it takes a long time to row well but I think that the "novice" category is intended for time spent rowing (as in ones first year) not whether one considers they are rowing well.

Each to their own!

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 28th, 2009, 3:21 am

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote: About 6:15 pace for the first 20 miles.

Yes.

Just a jog.

ranger
So here you also couldn,t pace yourself. Some would say live and learn

No, I think these different performances across sports come down to body build and other mechanical matters.

I don't have the body build to be a great runner.

The body build of the great lightweight rower on the erg is versatile across sports but not very well suited to any in particular (except lightweight rowing on the erg).

The best fit is probably with the body build of the triathlete, and therefore with someone who has to excel in multiple sports anyway.

My running times and erg times are pretty much straight up the same in the middle distances, where running times and erg times are similar: 34 minutes for 10K, 1:16 for a HM, etc.

These times are about 10 seconds per 500m off of both what a big heavyweight rower can do on the erg for these distances and what skinny little runner (of, say 60 kgs.) can do on the track.

So, mediocre in both.

On the other hand, great middle distance (or distance) runners are never great lightweight rowers and great heavyweight rowers can't run anywhere very fast at all.

The reason is skeletal-muscular--weight, muscularity, etc.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 28th, 2009, 3:29 am

hjs wrote:So here you also couldn,t pace yourself

My lwt 6:28 in 2003 was done with as close to exactly flat splits as you can come, with only a couple of tenths of a second difference in the four 500s.

I just pulled 1:37, start to finish.

Perfect pacing.

Same with my lwt 6:30 2K at WIRC 2003.

I just pulled 1:37.5, start to finish.

Perfect pacing.

When I am again fully trained and ready to race, as I was in 2003, I will again do my 2Ks with exactly flat splits.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » October 28th, 2009, 4:12 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:So here you also couldn,t pace yourself
My lwt 6:28 in 2003 was done with as close to exactly flat splits as you can come, with only a couple of tenths of a second difference in the four 500s.
I just pulled 1:37, start to finish.
Perfect pacing.

Same with my lwt 6:30 2K at WIRC 2003.
I just pulled 1:37.5, start to finish.

Perfect pacing.

ranger

hahaha those race are the only, before, inbetween and after you did dozens of other races, most you either idn,t dare to start, couldn,t make weight (natural lightweight), totally blew up or just rowed not so fast, many plus 6.55 races.

Simply stating facts

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 28th, 2009, 4:33 am

BTW, my distance stroke is now beautifully together at 11.5 SPI.

1:44 @ 27 spm (11.5 SPI) for a HM--coming up.

Given my better effectovemess and efficiency (my better technique and stroking power) I am now about five seconds per 500m better in this distance rowing than I was back in 2002-2003.

ranger

P.S. 1:44 would be 10 seconds per 500m faster than any 60s lwt has ever rowed a HM.

The 60s lwt WR for a HM is 1:54 jpace--1:19:56.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » October 28th, 2009, 4:35 am

hjs wrote:Simply stating facts

Yes, these are indeed the facts:

When I am fully trained, I row my 2Ks with perfectly flat splits.

Back in 2002-2003, I was fully trained.

For my next public race, I will again be fully trained.

ranger