6:28 2K

[ranger]

It means, this year I will slow down just like I did in the years before.

I suppose we'll see.

Soon!

If I haven't slowed down, I will break the WR by 10 seconds.

If I have gotten a dozen seconds better, as I think I have, I'll break the WR by 22 seconds.

This is my first return to hard distance rowing and full sharpening since 2003.

5Ks and 500s

In the fall of 2003, I did a hard 5K at the beginning of each training session on th erg.

Time to get back to that.

ranger

[hjs]

It means, this year I will slow down just like I did in the years before.

I suppose we'll see.
Soon!
If I haven't slowed down, I will break the WR by 10 seconds.
If I have gotten a dozen seconds better, as I think I have, I'll break the WR by 22 seconds.
This is my first return to hard distance rowing and full sharpening since 2003.
5Ks and 500s
In the fall of 2003, I did a hard 5K at the beginning of each training session on th erg.
Time to get back to that.
ranger

Same song

The result wilt also be the same. just a little bit slower again with not one timed result.

[sheehc]

I usually get a dozen seconds each from (1) hard distance rowing and (2) full sharpening.

I love that he keeps repeating this quote. How do you "usually" drop time from these methods, when you also say you have only actually "sharpened" and trained for racing in 2003? N=1 is generally not much to hang one's hat on.

Keep up the crockery my man. Keeps me laughing when the work is piling up.

[ranger]

I usually get a dozen seconds each from (1) hard distance rowing and (2) full sharpening.

I love that he keeps repeating this quote. How do you "usually" drop time from these methods, when you also say you have only actually "sharpened" and trained for racing in 2003? N=1 is generally not much to hang one's hat on.

No, the gain from sharpening is not a one-time affair.

It is entirely predictable.

I sharpened in the winter of 2002, the summer of 2003, and the winter of 2003.

Those are the _only_ times I have sharpened.

Same result each time.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from a month or two of hard sharpening.

A dozen seconds over 2K is 3 seconds per 500m.

So, during sharpening, if your first set of 500s is 1:37, you can expect that a month or two of sharpening will push that down to 1:34.

If you start at 1:34, you can expect 1:31 a couple of months later.

Etc.

Same thing for distance trials, I think.

In the winter of 2002-2003, I did an at-home lwt 2K trial around New Years in 6:42.

Then, at Toronto, at the end of January, I pulled a lwt 6:37.

Then, at Elkhart, a couple of weeks later, I pulled a lwt 6:33.

Then at Boston, a couple of weeks later, I pulled a lwt 6:30.

In between these events, I was sharpening.

ranger

[KevJGK]

Those are the _only_ times I have sharpened.

[Tinus]

I sometimes have these solipsistic ideas.

The entire internet just only exists in my mind.

Every time when I log in to the net is when I start (day)dreaming.

Sometimes my dreams amaze me

[ranger]

I sometimes have these solipsistic ideas.

The entire internet just only exists in my mind.

Every time when I log in to the net is when I start (day)dreaming.

Sometimes my dreams amaze me

No, WR rows are not solipsistic and fantastic, like the internet.

They are entirely public and real.

I did mine at BIRC and WIRC, the two largest race venues.

Six years and 50 milliion meters of training away weaknesses also has nothing to do with dreaming.

It is a real, day-to-day affair.

ranger

[JohnBove]

I haven't trained to race since 2003, although I am now.

I have been investing, rather than spending.

I have been learning to row.

Project complete.

Now, it's time to race again.

ranger

I noted earlier that you've repeated this lie so often that some people might actually have come to believe it's true.

It's a lie, as I said, or what you wrote at the time were lies.

Here's one example of many, a quote from September of 2007.

this time, right on schedule.

I will do hard distance rowing and full sharpening all fall, that is, during the 13 weeks, September 21-December 21.

Yes, I think I should reach my full potential for 2K somewhere in that period.

Then I can just file the edges, keep sharp, keep my weight low, and get ready to race the Boston qualifiers and WIRC.

ranger

[ranger]

I noted earlier that you've repeated this lie so often that some people might actually have come to believe it's true.

Talk can be inspiring, frustrating, misleading, useful, etc., but in the end, it doesn't have anything to do with rowing.

Rowing is all about doing, not "believing," etc.

People are free to believe whatever they want.

But what they believe has no bearing on their rowing, because they are certainly not free to row whatever they want.

You have to earn that "freedom."

I had the best 2K in my age and weight division last year, without even preparing for it (with hard distance rowing and full sharpening), albeit still three seconds off of the WR.

Now, I am adding hard distance rowing and full sharpening to that base.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from each.

So prospects this year for my "doings" are pretty exciting.

How is _your_ rowing coming along?

ranger

[snowleopard]

I had the best 2K in my age and weight division last year, without even preparing for it (with hard distance rowing and full sharpening), albeit still three seconds off of the WR.

How many seconds was that from the 6:16 target?

[JohnBove]

I noted earlier that you've repeated this lie so often that some people might actually have come to believe it's true.

Talk can be inspiring, frustrating, misleading, useful, etc., but in the end, it doesn't have anything to do with rowing.

Rowing is all about doing, not "believing," etc.

People are free to believe whatever they want.

But what they believe has no bearing on their rowing, because they are certainly not free to row whatever they want.

You have to earn that "freedom."

I had the best 2K in my age and weight division last year, without even preparing for it (with hard distance rowing and full sharpening), albeit still three seconds off of the WR.

Now, I am adding hard distance rowing and full sharpening to that base.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from each.

So prospects this year for my "doings" are pretty exciting.

How is _your_ rowing coming along?

ranger

So, I'll take this tedious, non sequitur response as acknowledgement that you are lying, or were lying then. Interesting that you excised your 2007 yammering from what you quoted here, to wit:

will do hard distance rowing and full sharpening all fall, that is, during the 13 weeks, September 21-December 21.

Yes, I think I should reach my full potential for 2K somewhere in that period.

Then I can just file the edges, keep sharp, keep my weight low, and get ready to race the Boston qualifiers and WIRC.

-- because it shows you are lying or were lying then.

and there's this: "You have to earn that freedom." Priceless.

What a wanker ...

[Yankeerunner]

From the first post on this thread, September 19, 2009:

I think I'll pull an at-home, 6:28 2K by the end of the month.


If I am successful with this trial, I will then be ready for a month or so of hard sharpening.

I usually get another dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

6:28 is my lwt pb.

ranger

Were you successful with this trial?

[ranger]

Were you successful with this trial?

No trial yet.

I am still working on distance rowing (30 spm, 11 SPI).

I am making good progress, though, albeit a bit behind schedule, it seems.

No more low rate rowing.

Theshold training.

ranger

[chgoss]

Ranger is in stage #3 currently

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Ranger's stages of training 
(1) Row effectively (at low rates). 
(2) Row efficiently (at 30 spm). 
(3) Hard distance rowing (pre-sharpening, threshold training) 
(4) Sharpening (2 month's at most, dont "race you're training"!). 
(5) Race 

Notes: 
- #1 and #2 constitute "Foundational Rowing" 
- A person can only start #4 when they are within 12 seconds of their target race goal. 
- It isnt clear to me yet, at what stage in the training it is acceptable to report a timed piece.. certainly not 1, 2 or 3.. not sure about 4..

[chgoss]

Were you successful with this trial?

No trial yet.

I am still working on distance rowing (30 spm, 11 SPI).

I am making good progress, though, albeit a bit behind schedule, it seems.

No more low rate rowing.

Theshold training.

ranger

Hold the phone... Now I'm confused.. I thought that it was critical to take only "good strokes" i.e. 13 SPI when training?

Here it is, what I believe to be a clarification of his beliefs, based on some recent exchanges in the "what training have you done today" thread. I've refrained from commenting on wether or not I feel the belief makes sense or not, alll I tried to do was capture the belief itself.

1) the best way to train is to focus on individual strokes. This is done by looking at the force curve, and the SPI (information that is derived from rate/pace for that one particular stroke).

2) Only "good" strokes should be taken in training, a "good" stroke is one pulled with a good force curve, at a certain SPI.

3) It is not important (actually it can be detrimental) to record how many "good" strokes are consecutively done, over a certain time period or distance.

4) a person's weight is "at" a certain value, if at some point in the day, that person can weigh him/her self, and it's that value.

Response?

(1) Initially, yes. You need to take one good stroke first, if you are going to take 1000, or 2000, of them, eventually.

(2) Initially, yes. The first thing to do in rowing, I think, is to learn to row well. You learn to row well by doing it--rowing well. Rowing is repetitive. It is all about technical and skeletal-motor habits.

(3) No, by all means, if you are rowing well, record anything you would like. But first row well, and only record what you do rowing well. Try to forget about when you rowed badly, and avoid it, whenever possible.

(4) For the purposes of rowing, it doesn't matter what your weight is "at," whatever that means. At a weigh in, you stand on a scale for a moment. The only thing that matters is what your weight is then. When you step off the scale, you can eat and drink on ten pounds, if you would like. You have two hours before you race.

ranger