6:28 2K

Steve G · Post by **Steve G** » September 26th, 2009, 5:58 am

Very true Kev
Us old hands have heard the same story for years now, the 8 X 500 was promised many moons ago to predict a 6.16, it didn't happen then, neither will it this time

Steve

hjs · Post by **hjs** » September 26th, 2009, 6:32 am

KevJGK wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:I am just starting to ramp up for distance trials and full sharpening.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:34 will be my first predictive sharpening workout.

That would predict a 6:28 2K.
You said you would be rowing a 2K trial before the end of the month. There are four days left. When will you be rowing the trial?
Just to save you wasting too much time on this.

There will be no 8 x 500m/3:30r results posted this year.

There will be no 2K trial results posted this year.

Just like

season 08/09
season 07/08
season 06/07
season 05/06
season 04/05
season 03/04

Season 02/03 he

he did erg in that season. From then on it was all talk and lot's and lot's of dnf, dns and many plus 6.50 races

also many blizzards, frozen feet, boozing with his son instead of racing, failed weigh ins etc etc

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 6:38 am

I think that anything under 6:24 might be safe for quite a while as a 55s lwt WR.

We can expect Paul Siebach to be sub-6:30 when he is 55, but it would be unusual for him to improve from now until then.

As a 55s lwt WR, 6:20 would be safe for at least a couple of decades, perhaps until Eskild turns 55.

As a 55s/60s lwt WRT, 6:16, I think, would stand forever.

It would be the best row in the history of the sport--bar none--an amazing feat.

It would be the equivalent of a sub-6:00 row by a 55s/60s heavyweight.

The 55s hwt WR is 6:18; the 60s hwt WR is 6:24.

The second or so decline with age between the two records is normal.

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38; the 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

ranger

KevJGK · Post by **KevJGK** » September 26th, 2009, 7:04 am

ranger wrote:I think that anything under 6:24 might be safe for quite a while as a 55s lwt WR.

We can expect Paul Siebach to be sub-6:30 when he is 55, but it would be unusual for him to improve from now until then.

As a 55s lwt WR, 6:20 would be safe for at least a couple of decades, perhaps until Eskild turns 55.

As a 55s/60s lwt WRT, 6:16, I think, would stand forever.

It would be the best row in the history of the sport--bar none--an amazing feat.

It would be the equivalent of a sub-6:00 row by a 55s/60s heavyweight.

The 55s hwt WR is 6:18; the 60s hwt WR is 6:24.

The second or so decline with age between the two records is normal.

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38; the 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

ranger

Please spare us any more of your ramblings that you repeat ad nauseam.

Would you be so kind as to comment on this post?.

KevJGK wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:I am just starting to ramp up for distance trials and full sharpening.

8 x 500m (3:30 rest) @ 1:34 will be my first predictive sharpening workout.

That would predict a 6:28 2K.
You said you would be rowing a 2K trial before the end of the month. There are four days left. When will you be rowing the trial?
Just to save you wasting too much time on this.

There will be no 8 x 500m/3:30r results posted this year.

There will be no 2K trial results posted this year.

Am I correct or am I incorrect?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 8:41 am

hjs wrote:Season 02/03 he Wink he did erg in that season. From then on it was all talk

No, the 6:29 I pulled in 2006, withuut even doing hard distance rowing and sharpening, was not all talk.

It showed that I hadn't slowed down at all since 2003, and that in all likeliihood, I was quite a bit better.

A 6:28 at the end of the month this year, before I start hard sharpening, will show the same thing.

Over the period from 2003-2009, on the average, my competition has slowed down 10-20 seconds over 2K.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 8:44 am

KevJGK wrote: Am I correct or am I incorrect?

I will be sharpening all year this year--racing my workouts on a regular basis.

I will be doing 8 x 500m (and the like) a couple of times a week for the next six months.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » September 26th, 2009, 9:33 am

ranger wrote:
KevJGK wrote: Am I correct or am I incorrect?
I will be sharpening all year this year--racing my workouts on a regular basis.

I will be doing 8 x 500m (and the like) a couple of times a week for the next six months.

ranger

Just like you said in

season 08/09
season 07/08
season 06/07
season 05/06
season 04/05
season 03/04

but didn,t

KevJGK · Post by **KevJGK** » September 26th, 2009, 9:57 am

ranger wrote:
KevJGK wrote: Am I correct or am I incorrect?
I will be sharpening all year this year--racing my workouts on a regular basis.

I will be doing 8 x 500m (and the like) a couple of times a week for the next six months.

ranger

Well, best of luck with them.

Have you done any this week or are we seeing history unfold before our eyes?

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » September 26th, 2009, 10:53 am

ranger wrote:

Over the period from 2003-2009, on the average, my competition has slowed down 10-20 seconds over 2K.

ranger

Yet strangely still quicker than you.....

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 11:00 am

Rocket Roy wrote:
ranger wrote:

Over the period from 2003-2009, on the average, my competition has slowed down 10-20 seconds over 2K.

ranger
Yet strangely still quicker than you.....

No, not strange--and last year, not quicker, either.

There is nothing strange about investment.

Anyone who is successful invests on a regular basis.

Those who don't invest go broke.

I've been investing in learning how to row.

I haven't been doing any hard distance rowing or hard sharpening.

So, I haven't been training to race.

I've just been working on technique and stroking power, trying to get better.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

Who knows how much I get from hard distance rowing; that's the essence of the game.

My fitness is always about the same.

But because of my investments over the last five years, my technique is now much better.

How much better?

I think about a dozen seconds over 2K--3 seconds per 500m.

35 watts

1 SPI

I'll now race at 11.5 SPI; I used to race at 10.5 SPI.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 11:15 am

Rocket Roy wrote:Yet strangely still quicker than you.....

No, you have never pulled anything like 6:29, as I did in 2006.

No one our age and weight has ever pulled below 6:40, much less 6:30.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » September 26th, 2009, 11:58 am

ranger wrote:
Rocket Roy wrote:
ranger wrote:

Over the period from 2003-2009, on the average, my competition has slowed down 10-20 seconds over 2K.

ranger
Yet strangely still quicker than you.....
No, not strange--and last year, not quicker, either.

There is nothing strange about investment.

Anyone who is successful invests on a regular basis.

Those who don't invest go broke.

I've been investing in learning how to row.

I haven't been doing any hard distance rowing or hard sharpening.
So, I haven't been training to race.
I've just been working on technique and stroking power, trying to get better.
I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.
Who knows how much I get from hard distance rowing; that's the essence of the game.
My fitness is always about the same.
But because of my investments over the last five years, my technique is now much better.
How much better?
I think about a dozen seconds over 2K--3 seconds per 500m.
35 watts
1 SPI
I'll now race at 11.5 SPI; I used to race at 10.5 SPI.
ranger

Just like in

season 08/09
season 07/08
season 06/07
season 05/06
season 04/05
season 03/04

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 12:59 pm

hjs wrote:season 08/09
season 07/08
season 06/07
season 05/06
season 04/05
season 03/04

No, not like those years at all.

I am no longer working on technique.

I am no longer rowing at low rates.

Even OTW, I am keeping the rate up at 28 spm and above.

I am doing four-hour workouts.

I am at weight.

No, not like those years at all.

The opposite.

Nothing to be done now but sharpening and racing.

I'll be sharpening and racing all year long.

I'll do my first head race OTW in Lansing, MI, at the end of October.

I think I'll rate 28 spm the 4K.

Don't know how fast that will turn out, but I'll shoot for something like 2:10.

2:10 pace won the HOCR in the 60s age bracket last year.

Eventually, I think I'll rate 30-32 spm for 5K, both OTW and on the erg.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » September 26th, 2009, 1:08 pm

Steve G wrote:Very true Kev
Us old hands have heard the same story for years now, the 8 X 500 was promised many moons ago to predict a 6.16, it didn't happen then, neither will it this time

Steve

The 55s lwt WR is 6:38, not 6:16.

No need to pull 1:31 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) right now.

I'll shoot for 1:34 to start off.

I'll have six months to inch that down to 1:31, as I bring up my anaerobic capacities.

1:37 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 60s lwt WR.
1:36 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 55s lwt WR.
1:33 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 50s lwt WR.
1:31 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 40s lwt WR.
1:29 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 30s lwt WR.

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » September 26th, 2009, 1:14 pm

ranger wrote:
Steve G wrote:Very true Kev
Us old hands have heard the same story for years now, the 8 X 500 was promised many moons ago to predict a 6.16, it didn't happen then, neither will it this time

Steve
The 55s lwt WR is 6:38, not 6:16.

No need to pull 1:31 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) right now.

I'll shoot for 1:34 to start off.

I'll have six months to inch that down to 1:31, as I bring up my anaerobic capacities.

1:37 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 60s lwt WR.
1:36 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 55s lwt WR.
1:33 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 50s lwt WR.
1:31 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 40s lwt WR.
1:29 for 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) predicts the 30s lwt WR.

ranger

wanna bet you don,t post any

just like 09 07 06 05 04 03