Team Row Pain, Row Gain

[[old] jimjayhawk]

Mike, <br /><br />Glad to see your comments about challenge of the Model B - this is what I work out on at home... I've never used a C or D... and from your report maybe I'd better not if I want to remain happy with my model B... <br /><br />I'm going to be about 13K short of my 250K goal for September... my chiro grounded me on Tuesday... said I could do a light workout today if I felt up to it... something tells me that 13K wouldn't qualify as light regardless of my pace... <br /><br />Jim S.

[[old] julieofarc]

Congrats Jason on passing 400K! You beat Jenny and I even after all our smack talking. I had an off week, Jenny had a minor injury, so we've slowed down a bit. Anyhow, good for you!

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-jimjayhawk+Sep 30 2005, 02:16 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jimjayhawk @ Sep 30 2005, 02:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mike, <br /><br />Glad to see your comments about challenge of the Model B - this is what I work out on at home... I've never used a C or D... and from your report maybe I'd better not if I want to remain happy with my model B... <br /><br />I'm going to be about 13K short of my 250K goal for September... my chiro grounded me on Tuesday... said I could do a light workout today if I felt up to it... something tells me that 13K wouldn't qualify as light regardless of my pace... <br /><br />Jim S. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Jim,<br /><br />It's hard to have a light workout on a Model B. <br />When I had to repair mine, I was thinking about buying a Model D instead, but the people at Concept2 told me that all the "real men" like their Model B's and that I should keep it. Now I know what they mean. The drag factor is a killer, but it definitely is like weight lifting.<br /><br />Here's an anecdote for you. When I was using my B everyday, my strength on the bench press went up dramatically even when I was taking a break from weight training. After the rollers went out on me, and while I was waiting for parts, I found the Model C's at the Y and started using them. Much easier -- way easier (the Model D's must really be sweet) -- but when I started weight training again after using the Model C my strength on the bench press was way down. So, in my opinion, for toughness the Model B is the baby to have. Even using a 10 on a Model C doesn't come close to the DF on my B.<br /><br />For all the beautiful and smart women on the team (that's everyone), I am really impressed with those of you using the Model B's. My kind of gal. <br /><br />Anyway, you set a great goal and came close -- that's great!<br /><br />I'm taking a break for a while. I never want to row this many metres in a month again. After tonight's FM, I thought I'd do a few more metres to cool down: the spirit was willing but the butt was weak. It hurt too much just to sit on the bloody erg.<br /><br />Mike

[[old] cnapier]

<!--QuoteBegin-Steelhead+Sep 29 2005, 09:58 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Steelhead @ Sep 29 2005, 09:58 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi Everyone:<br /><br />Okay, it looks like I have one marathon standing between me and 2,000,000 meters. I'll see if I can do it tomorrow. Then I can take a break and let Charles catch up with me, and then start our race to 3,000,000.<br /><br />I've noticed Charles adding more meters on a daily basis. That's great. I hear him splashing behind me, and hopefully shedding some pounds in the process.<br /><br />After signing up with WW and using the flex program last week, I lost 5 pounds the first week -- of course, I had to row like a lunatic to do it. I'll see what I loose this week, but it looks as if I may have finally dropped below 200 pounds (today on my scale naked I weighed 194, added two pounds when I got dressed), although I had to eat a dozen eggs today to satisfy my hunger (not exactly what WW recommends), so  I'll see what happens when I weigh in Saturday after hitting 2,000,000 meters. I have to get back in the river doing some Steelhead fly-fishing on our great Northwest Rivers.<br /><br />Thanks to everyone for all the encouragement and motivation to row.<br /><br />Mike <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Congratulations Mike,<br /><br />Just checked and saw the 2,000,000+ good job, now for some R&R (and from the sound of it that would be "Rest & Recovery).<br /><br />You have been putting in some monster meters (72,000 in a day...wow!) and it will take me a couple of days to catch up so go stand in some cold water (should help the sore buttocks ).<br /><br />Also good work on dropping below the 200 mark, I've been stuck since I got sick around 202/205 (had a few days off program while visiting a special female in my life) although I am still seeing improvements in my body and have dropped to 34" X 32" pants which fit rather well now.<br /><br />So rest up, catch some big fish, while I make it to 2 million. <br /><br />Then we are off for the 3 million mark.<br /><br />Charles

[[old] Steelhead]

[quote=cnapier,Oct 1 2005, 05:39 AM]<br /><br />[/quote]<br /><br />Congratulations Mike,<br /><br />Just checked and saw the 2,000,000+ good job, now for some R&R (and from the sound of it that would be "Rest & Recovery).<br /><br />You have been putting in some monster meters (72,000 in a day...wow!) and it will take me a couple of days to catch up so go stand in some cold water (should help the sore buttocks ).<br /><br />Also good work on dropping below the 200 mark, I've been stuck since I got sick around 202/205 (had a few days off program while visiting a special female in my life) although I am still seeing improvements in my body and have dropped to 34" X 32" pants which fit rather well now.<br /><br />So rest up, catch some big fish, while I make it to 2 million. <br /><br />Then we are off for the 3 million mark.<br /><br />Charles <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Charles,<br /><br />I agree that we can't go by pounds but by inches. Obviously, I have been replacing a lot of fat with muscle, and after joining WW I started to drop some pounds. 8 pounds in two weeks. The last time I had a 34 inch waist was over 10 years ago -- it will be nice to get there again and be able to wear some of my old suits.<br /><br />I'll take it easy until you catch up and then it's off to three million and hopefully a loss of 10 more pounds.<br /><br />Mike<br /><br />

[[old] jimjayhawk]

Jason - you have certainly made up some meters in the past month... keep up the good work! <br /><br />I finally got back in the saddle tonight for the first time since Monday... my back still isn't 100%, but I took it pretty easy and did a little over 5k... I might make it back up to my hour workouts in a week or two, but this is the second back spat I've had since May... no sense getting it so fouled up that I'm off for an extended period of time. <br /><br /><br />Jim S. <br />

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-jimjayhawk+Oct 2 2005, 06:48 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jimjayhawk @ Oct 2 2005, 06:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Jason -  you have certainly made up some meters in the past month...  keep up the good work! <br /><br />I finally got back in the saddle tonight for the first time since Monday... my back still isn't 100%, but I took it pretty easy and did a little over 5k... I might make it back up to my hour workouts in a week or two, but this is the second back spat I've had since May... no sense getting it so fouled up that I'm off for an extended period of time. <br /><br /><br />Jim S. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Jim,<br /><br />My back used to kill me too, but then I changed my approach: lowered the drag factor, and started using my legs to push without straps, and I only moved my back at the end of the stroke so that it was never pulling. We have to do something to keep your back from getting hurt. What do you think?<br /><br />Mike<br />

[[old] code_monkey]

<!--QuoteBegin-jimjayhawk+Oct 2 2005, 05:48 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jimjayhawk @ Oct 2 2005, 05:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Jason -  you have certainly made up some meters in the past month...  keep up the good work! <br /><br />I finally got back in the saddle tonight for the first time since Monday... my back still isn't 100%, but I took it pretty easy and did a little over 5k... I might make it back up to my hour workouts in a week or two, but this is the second back spat I've had since May... no sense getting it so fouled up that I'm off for an extended period of time. <br /><br /><br />Jim S. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks Jim, and thanks to Julie for the earlier mention.<br />My back is feeling better and I'm trying to get back on track. I have a modest goal of 100K meters each month. Unfortunately I'm now down 100K from that goal over the season so I'm going to try to take a few months to get caught up with that goal again.<br /><br />The encouraging words are always nice as is the friendly competition we find ourselves in from time to time.<br /><br />-jason<br />

[[old] Meri Goehring]

(Sorry, I can't seem to figure out how to post properly. I put this message in the wrong area, and now I think I've got it. Not too computer savy.)<br />Gez, this group is hard core. After just thinking about 72000 meters in one day, I took 3 days off. and took it easy on 14000 this AM. I've kept the damper at 10, as it just feels more confortable for me. I'll try playing with sometime, but the last time I lowered it, I found my pace increased without any significant change in my 'split', which hovers at 2:17 or 2:18 on a good day. Probably not pushing hard enough with the legs yet. I'll keep working at it.<br />Anyway, congratulations to those of you who have the guts to wrestle the iron maiden that far. I just want to loose about 30 more lbs. without quite that much determination. It's pretty amazing what you ergomaniacs can accomplish.

[[old] jimjayhawk]

<!--QuoteBegin-Steelhead+Oct 2 2005, 09:05 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Steelhead @ Oct 2 2005, 09:05 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-jimjayhawk+Oct 2 2005, 06:48 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jimjayhawk @ Oct 2 2005, 06:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Jason -  you have certainly made up some meters in the past month...  keep up the good work! <br /><br />I finally got back in the saddle tonight for the first time since Monday... my back still isn't 100%, but I took it pretty easy and did a little over 5k... I might make it back up to my hour workouts in a week or two, but this is the second back spat I've had since May... no sense getting it so fouled up that I'm off for an extended period of time. <br /><br /><br />Jim S. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Jim,<br /><br />My back used to kill me too, but then I changed my approach: lowered the drag factor, and started using my legs to push without straps, and I only moved my back at the end of the stroke so that it was never pulling. We have to do something to keep your back from getting hurt. What do you think?<br /><br />I've been doing the strapless thing since early July... <br /><br />As I've been easing back into it, I've concentrated on my posture... I suspect that on some of the 10K+ rows I got lazy and slumped a bit... <br /><br />Also, I was feeling my typical warning signs to get to my chiropractor at least 6 days before I got to him... the night before I went in my lower back was popping like a knuckle on both sides of the stroke... (my daughter standing next to me could hear it... and I could feel a clear "pop")... I'll either get into the chiro sooner or stop rowing until I do... <br /><br />My plan at this point is watching my posture, getting to the chiro and not trying to get over 250k in a 30 day month<br /><br />Jim S. <br /><br />Mike <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] Steelhead]

[quote=jimjayhawk,Oct 4 2005, 08:35 PM]<br /><br /><br />I've been doing the strapless thing since early July... <br /><br />As I've been easing back into it, I've concentrated on my posture... I suspect that on some of the 10K+ rows I got lazy and slumped a bit... <br /><br />Also, I was feeling my typical warning signs to get to my chiropractor at least 6 days before I got to him... the night before I went in my lower back was popping like a knuckle on both sides of the stroke... (my daughter standing next to me could hear it... and I could feel a clear "pop")... I'll either get into the chiro sooner or stop rowing until I do... <br /><br />My plan at this point is watching my posture, getting to the chiro and not trying to get over 250k in a 30 day month<br /><br />Jim S. <br /><br />Mike <br />[/quote] <br />[/quote]<br />Jim,<br /><br />What DF do you use when you erg? You may have it set too high; rowing a row boat can hurt anyone's back; set a DF for a sleek shell.<br /><br />Anyway, I hope your back gets better.<br /><br />Mike<br />

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-Meri Goehring+Oct 4 2005, 07:31 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Meri Goehring @ Oct 4 2005, 07:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gez, this group is hard core. After just thinking about 72000 meters in one day, I took 3 days off. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Meri,<br /><br />You raise a great point. I think I'm too hard core for this group. So I'm going to move to a hard core team. Now that I upgraded my Model B to use row pro, I think I'll join that group.<br /><br />I don't want to demotivate team members. If 72,000 meters in one day is a demotivator then the 110,000 meters I did over the last two days is probably one too.<br /><br />This team though has been a real inspiration to me to row as much as I have. I definitely would not have done so without being a member. I didn't lose the pounds I wanted to lose, but I definitely put in the meters, and had fun doing it.<br /><br />Thanks to everyone.<br /><br />Mike

[[old] deppe4]

<!--QuoteBegin-Steelhead+Oct 4 2005, 11:36 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Steelhead @ Oct 4 2005, 11:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Meri Goehring+Oct 4 2005, 07:31 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Meri Goehring @ Oct 4 2005, 07:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gez, this group is hard core. After just thinking about 72000 meters in one day, I took 3 days off. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Meri,<br /><br />You raise a great point. I think I'm too hard core for this group. So I'm going to move to a hard core team. Now that I upgraded my Model B to use row pro, I think I'll join that group.<br /><br />I don't want to demotivate team members. If 72,000 meters in one day is a demotivator then the 110,000 meters I did over the last two days is probably one too.<br /><br />This team though has been a real inspiration to me to row as much as I have. I definitely would not have done so without being a member. I didn't lose the pounds I wanted to lose, but I definitely put in the meters, and had fun doing it.<br /><br />Thanks to everyone.<br /><br />Mike <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, I'm not hardcore but I finally completed my first 10000m row today <br /><br />Does anyone else have their lower back fatigue before any other muscle group (my damper is at 3 or 4 - don't remember)? Any suggestions?<br /><br />I get "tired" in this order:<br />lower back<br />traps/neck<br />shoulders<br />abs<br />legs<br /><br />-deppee4<br /><br />p.s. Why does Mike keep disappeRing from the team's ranking?

[[old] jimjayhawk]

Jim,<br /><br />What DF do you use when you erg? You may have it set too high; rowing a row boat can hurt anyone's back; set a DF for a sleek shell.<br /><br />Anyway, I hope your back gets better.<br /><br />Mike <br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />Mike, <br /><br />I've got a model B, is there a DF? <br /><br />I typically have my side vent closed and spin on the larger sprocket<br /><br />Jim

[[old] jimjayhawk]

<br /><br />Well, I'm not hardcore but I finally completed my first 10000m row today <br /><br />Does anyone else have their lower back fatigue before any other muscle group (my damper is at 3 or 4 - don't remember)? Any suggestions?<br /><br />I get "tired" in this order:<br />lower back<br />traps/neck<br />shoulders<br />abs<br />legs<br /><br />-deppee4<br /><br />p.s. Why does Mike keep disappeRing from the team's ranking? <br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />Nice job Deppe! Be careful though... it is really easy to fall into trying to do a 10K every workout... your meters go up rapidly at that rate, and you start flying by the others on the list who don't do such workouts<br /><br />I hope that Mike hasn't disappeared from the list for good... although I suspect that may be the case... <br /><br />Jim S.