Ranking 2K 40-49 Hwts

[Chad Williams]

but still don't understand your whole "DA" obsession.

My problem with Dwayne is that he can not prove his times, any of them, any that he has rowed….Period. I have given example after example of this so we won’t go back over it all.
My main beef is that he gained 2 free trips to Europe under USIRT and then did not even perform, and continues not perform in the public arena to date, but is still claiming great times year after year.

He took away the opportunities for other able rowers who could have rowed the qualifying time that USIRT requested and would have be more than able to perform in the public arena and represent their country to the best of their abilities. But as Dwayne was “rowing” under USIRT what is the point in even bothering trying to apply, as what ever time that a person would enter Dwayne would just produce another row better, again with no proof.

That is my problem.

[Daren]

If the USIRT take claimed performances at face value (although I'd be surprised if that's the case), surely that's their own lookout and you should take issue with them, and not anyone that may benefit. If Dwayne or anyone else puts in a performance under USIRT sanctioned conditions, with a USIRT sanctioned witness present, surely he has a right to the place.

[Spectre]

Hey chad I have to say I am very impressed by your times, as I was with DA's also. I had a hard time believing anyone could break 6mins at all let alone a master. I row with a bunch of realy realy fit masters and many of us are 30 seconds to a minute slower than you. Several of these guys train alot, I mean several hours a day and have national rowing pedegrees. What I am curious about is what are you doing to get that strong/fit. I know you have been reluctant to share your training with us, but in general terms how many hours a day are you training? Are you tall? what can you dead lift? Lastly, I have heard many water rowers say that the new breed of big scores come from folks that are not water rowers and because they are not water rowers are not worried about ratio or other technique factors that theoretically slow down one on the erg but create speed on the water. Do you have a water rowing career to speak of? Oh and so there is no confusion, I am realy impressed this is not sarcasm etc.

[The Hague Dragon]

Lastly, I have heard many water rowers say that the new breed of big scores come from folks that are not water rowers and because they are not water rowers are not worried about ratio or other technique factors that theoretically slow down one on the erg but create speed on the water.

but the British Record for a 2k is still from Mathew Pinsent, i thought he was/is a waterrower?

[Chad Williams]

Dwayne has never, I repeat NEVER had a sanctioned row by USIRT. Ask C2 they will confirm.

Dwayne will never row for USIRT again, that is a certainty. The system has now changed for the better; the system is now a lot fairer.

C2 are not to blame in anyway, it is the people that manipulate the system, C2 are now onto this hence the changes they have made.

C2 have changed, but some people have not.

[hjs]

Lastly, I have heard many water rowers say that the new breed of big scores come from folks that are not water rowers and because they are not water rowers are not worried about ratio or other technique factors that theoretically slow down one on the erg but create speed on the water.

but the British Record for a 2k is still from Mathew Pinsent, i thought he was/is a waterrower?

The 2 K records are not improving at the moment. The 5.38/45 zone is for years already the best man can do. This has nothing to do with the background off these ergers.


Ps For does who think 5.44 and 5.46 is possible. take a look at the ctc scores this month and the comment both men made about that. .

[Daren]

Dwayne has never, I repeat NEVER had a sanctioned row by USIRT. Ask C2 they will confirm.

Dwayne will never row for USIRT again, that is a certainty. The system has now changed for the better; the system is now a lot fairer.

C2 are not to blame in anyway, it is the people that manipulate the system, C2 are now onto this hence the changes they have made.

C2 have changed, but some people have not.

In which case, there's no need to worry about future places, and since nothing can be done about historical events, what's the point? The rankings are an honour system, and everyone knows that they can be played. But ultimately, there's nothing to gain from posting false times other than kudos. If Dwayne or anyone else feels it necessary to post false results purely to shore up their own ego, we should pity them more than anything else.

I also don't see what you expect to gain from doing what you did on Saturday, other than to demonstrate that fake verified times can be constructed through the collusion of a team of people - something that isn't in doubt. Of course it's possible, but the possibility doesn't make it more or less likely that any given individual has done it.

[Chad Williams]

Daren, you are out spoken with regards to me and my ability yet I have given you no cause at all to doubt me, I pointed out lots of inconsistencies in many of Dwayne’s rows in the past yet you defend him.

Let me ask you, do you think Dwayne rowed his 2000m time as a relay? If not, why do you think I did?

[Bob S.]

hey nice job chad, do you think you could have rowed harder for the first 500m? maybe higher stroke rate? or was that just to save up energy for the other 1500m?

You have it backwards, Ben. It was an excellent race, timewise, but not a smart one. The ideal would be even splits across the board, but not easy to do. The next best is negative splits, which this was obviously not. I believe that Chad's time would be even better if he didn't burn up quite so much fuel in the first 500m, but had it availble for a harder final sprint.

Bob S.

[ancho]

... What I am curious about is what are you doing to get that strong/fit. I know you have been reluctant to share your training with us, but in general terms how many hours a day are you training? Are you tall? what can you dead lift? ... Do you have a water rowing career to speak of? Oh and so there is no confusion, I am realy impressed this is not sarcasm etc.

Chad: I would apreciate very much (suppose you don't really care if I aprecciate it ) if you could share some of the data Spectre is asking. I am always interested in looking for ways to get better not spending more time than I'm already spending with this madness...

[Daren]

Daren, you are out spoken with regards to me and my ability yet I have given you no cause at all to doubt me, I pointed out lots of inconsistencies in many of Dwayne’s rows in the past yet you defend him.

Let me ask you, do you think Dwayne rowed his 2000m time as a relay? If not, why do you think I did?

I am not defending Dwayne, per se. With regard to your initial poll, I responded "Don't care", and that is still how I regard his times. I don't care if they're genuine or not. If they are, great. If they're not, I'm no worse off for it, and nor is anyone else. Note that if there were some reward involved, like a cash prize for finishing in the top 3 at the end of the season, I'd probably take a different view, but as it is that's not the case. I don't know if Dwayne's times are genuine or not, and I'm not going to claim that they are. I've no idea if he rowed his 2k as a relay.

However, I viewed your post with more than a hint of suspicion, simply because it was you; as I've already stated I think you have an agenda to demonstrate that the system can be played (although that's not in question, as far as I'm concerned), and therefore your claims are just a little bit too convenient. I view you with distrust.

My initial response in this thread was borne out of that distrust, but still intended partially in jest. However, I've since come to believe that my gut feeling was correct. If you're on the level, well, I can only apologise.

[johnlvs2run]

This weekend- 2000m rowed in 5.44.9 – 1.26.2 - r35

Complete with an IND_V code. I have entered it on the rankings but am waiting for an additional code from Denah at concept 2 to allow me to complete the ranking format to their requirements, as it will be a top 3 row (#1) This has been accepted as a IND_V classified row on the ranking system.

I have supplied all the data from the log card, the IND_V code, the split data plus a screen shot of the monitor after the row. All this information is now with C2.

When C2 confirm my place in the rankings (I have been told that it can take a few days to get a code) I will post the screen shot and the splits for you all to see.

Chad,

Congratulations on your fine row and your time.

I am looking forward to seeing it in the rankings, and in front of Dwayne Adams, who has never provided any verification for his times, never had a reasonable time in any of the competitions he has entered, and who has many suspicious entries in the rankings, vs Nonathlon, and also some obvious manipulations of the annual meters honor board.

[johnlvs2run]

This weekend- 2000m rowed in 5.44.9 – 1.26.2 - r35

Chad,

Your 5:44.9 at age 40 comes out to a PERathlon score of 99.6!

5:37.0 / .9808 / 5:44.9 x 100 = 99.6

For more information on PERathlon scores, take a look here:

http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=298#298

This link to the PERathlon thread is also listed below in my signature file.

[row4life]

Here's something that sums up Chad very well. A song from Sum 41 called A.N.I.D. Listen to it Dude. It fits you well.

[Tyn]

Here's something that sums up Chad very well. A song from Sum 41 called A.N.I.D. Listen to it Dude. It fits you well.

Hi row4life, Is this A.N.I.C. ?

I Hope it is!

O Yeh,
Chad congrats on your time and
the great picture-proof!!