Team Row Pain, Row Gain

[old] artmom5 · Post by **[old] artmom5** » August 16th, 2005, 11:19 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gaijin @ Aug 15 2005, 06:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rod7896 @ Aug 15 2005, 11:44 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Well, we just lost 900k (and a spot in the standings) on our total, as Ken Meek started his own team, Fitness First UK. Guess that means I have to row today. THANKS ALOT KEN! <br /><br />Just kidding, of course <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />That's OK. I just logged my first million meters in one season and feel pretty good about it.<br /><br />Pounds lost: 72 so far<br />Meters rowed: 1,368,125 lifetime<br />Feeling of accomplishment: Priceless!<br /><br />So, time to stop resting on my laurels and start on that second million this season.<br /><br />Thanks again to all for the continuing motivation.<br /><br />Bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Congrats Bill<br />and thanks for the reminder of the long term results! <br />Mary<br />

[old] artmom5 · Post by **[old] artmom5** » August 16th, 2005, 2:07 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rod7896 @ Aug 15 2005, 02:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Well, we just lost 900k (and a spot in the standings) on our total, as Ken Meek started his own team, Fitness First UK. Guess that means I have to row today. THANKS ALOT KEN! <br /><br />Just kidding, of course <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />That's allright he was doing us a favor. He was on the team for such a short time, it apparently wasn't a good fit for him, anyway we wouldn't want to advance the easy way! With that amount of meters INSTANTLY on our team's ranking it made it easier for all of us to slack OFF! NOW back to consistantly SITTING ON OUR *#!* and erging for ourselves. <br />Mary<br /><br />

[old] artmom5 · Post by **[old] artmom5** » August 16th, 2005, 2:14 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rod7896 @ Aug 13 2005, 05:05 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Welcome to all the new members, it's nice to move up in the team standings!<br /><br />I just got done with my first full marathon, and all I can say is that was re-friggin-diculous. I don't see how some of you do that on a regular basis. Hopefully now a HM will seem really easy! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Courier'>Congratulations ROD!</span></span></span> <span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Geneva'>1st Marathon! </span></span></span>GREAT JOB! (and you're still talking about getting back on the erg ) Row ON! Congrats<br />Mary

[old] jimjayhawk · Post by **[old] jimjayhawk** » August 16th, 2005, 2:20 pm

Welcome aboard Andy! <br /><br />What's the connection with Norm??? <br /><br />I gather from your spelling of meters that you are not in the U.S. but across one of the ponds?? <br /><br />Meager or not, your metres are all very welcomed!<br /><br />Excluding my prattle, this forum is a gold-mine of wisdom and guidance...<br /><br />I'm 45, weigh a bit more than you... but can tell you that the C2 has been the best piece of exercise equipment I've ever used.<br /><br />Jim<br /><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Normsthename @ Aug 16 2005, 08:00 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi<br />I have just joined the team, and hope my meagre metres will help......<br />Let me introduce myself, I am 43, 92 Kg (203lb) and not that fit.<br />I bought the concept just over a week ago, and I am almost enjoying using it! <br />One question, the logged metres, are these total metres, including warmup & warmdown?<br />If so, how do you work out how many metres you have rowed, do you have to write down the figure before and after, and then calculate it?<br />I know the Logcard reports the total metres but is there a screen on the rower where it tells me how many I have done in total in a session?<br /><br />Andy <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » August 16th, 2005, 4:00 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(julieofarc @ Aug 15 2005, 09:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Aug 15 2005, 09:44 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi there.<br />If you have your lungs full of air at the catch you are not in a position of relaxation and "hanging" position when you apply the leg drive. At no point in my storke cycle do I "stop" the flow of air through my lungs. I breath continuously. Thus I inhale during my drive.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks, Xeno. I think this is the exact opposite of what I've been taught. (And obviously you know waaaaaaay more what you're talking about than I do with my very limited rowing experience.) So, can you clarify for me? Are you saying you inhale & exhale on both the drive and recovery? Or that your breathing pattern is not related to a particular part of the stroke, just consistently breathing in and out and have 'empty' lungs at the catch? I'm confused! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi<br />The sensation at the catch should be relaxed from the hip joint up to the shoulders. If you row at twenty strokes per minute you can inhale during the drive and exhale during the recovery. It is not unusual for me to have to breathe twice on the recovery. In a race I inhale and exhale on the recovery twice. I do not hold my breath during the drive. It is not surprising that breathing patterns have not been talked about much. As was said, it is counter intuitive. <br />I hope this helps.<br />All the best,<br />XENO

[old] deppe4 · Post by **[old] deppe4** » August 16th, 2005, 4:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rowmantic @ Aug 16 2005, 09:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Rowing Rob @ Aug 15 2005, 06:50 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hey Guys!<br /><br />OK which is better-power or speed-for weight loss?<br /><br />I've been working with the damper set @ 3 and trying to average over 100 watts in power per stroke. I get a good workout but I don't get very high stroke per minutes (36-39). I also seem to be gaining more muscle mass (muscle burns more fat)<br /><br />I thought if I lowered the damper and tried to achieve higher strokes per minute I would get more of a cardiac workout but not build muscle mass. I'd like to row in the CRASH one day & I understand they don't dictate the damper setting-I imagine everyone leaves the damper @ 0.<br /><br />I have a heart monitor attachment that isn't reliable & I don't really ever believe those "calorie burned" numbers. <br /><br />What has been everyone else's technique/strategy?<br /><br />Thx<br /><br />Rob <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Hi Rob,<br /> <br /> The ever popular weight loss question, I wish I had a magical answer for that one. I'd do nothing but row at whatever rating and damper setting was necessary. I do think that knowing your your max and min heart rate is the way to focus on burning fat. I know there is a percentage that you are supposed to workout at to burn fat. I believe that speed work does not contribute to fat loss as much as lower and longer workouts do. <br /><br /> In response to your comments about the damper, I am always checking the drag as it is different on some machines. I set the drag at 116-117. On a newer machine that sometimes means that the damper is on 1 and on some older ones, it is has high as 6 or 7. My own machine at home is set at 3. If you are rowing on a C model, you can check the drag by pushing the rest and ready button at the same time. I'd tell you how to find it on the D model, but I rarely use one and then spend 5 minutes wondering where I find it. Assuming you are a heavy weight man, Rob, you might try a drag between a 115-120.<br /><br /> If your goal is to race at the CRASH-Bs, I'd recommend that you concentrate more on your splits versus stroke rating. You are not necessarily going faster when the stroke rating is between a 36-39. You might actually be faster at 30 spm. If you can get a lower split at 28-30 spms and be able to breathe, you will have a faster 2k time. Breathing is good.... I raced the last CRASH-Bs between a 26-28 spm. My goal was to keep the split at a 1:50. I didn't pay as much attention to the stroke rate as I did the splits.<br /><br />My Two Cents Worth,<br />~Grace<br /><br />Welcome Andy.<br />Do log all your meters, warm-up, cool down, etc.... <br />I, personally, keep track of my meters in a logbook. Not sure how you look up all the meters you rowed this season on your Logcard..... Anyone know how???<br /><br />Julie, <br />Sense and Sensiblity? I find that watching Mr. Darcy and Miss Elizabeth Bennet of Pride and Predjudice is so much better for my erging... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I haven't downloaded my workouts from the logcard yet, but you need to have (1) installed the software that comes with the C2 (the PM3 Logcard Utility) and (2) you need to have the USB port connector which attaches to the C2 (with the logcard in the machine) and your laptop (not sure how many of us have our rowers next to the ole desktop). It'd be really nice if Concept 2 allowed us to attach a USB flashcard to the C2 to download the logcard files and then stick the flashcard into the laptop/desktop to then donwload the files into the utility program The utility program acts much like the online logbook.<br /><br />I do, also, use the paper logbook (you can request free logbook from the website somewhere).<br /><br />-deppe4<br /><br />Sense and Sensibility Got me thinking of other possibilities like Chariots of Fire to inspire a long slow row, and Rocky for cross-training.

[old] Citroen · Post by **[old] Citroen** » August 16th, 2005, 4:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(deppe4 @ Aug 16 2005, 09:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I do, also, use the paper logbook (you can request free logbook from the website somewhere).<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Did you mean this one <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/docs/training_log.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/docs/training_log.pdf</a><br />or this one <a href='http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... ogpage.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... age.pdf</a>?

[old] Normsthename · Post by **[old] Normsthename** » August 16th, 2005, 7:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Welcome aboard Andy!<br /><br />What's the connection with Norm???<br /><br />I gather from your spelling of meters that you are not in the U.S. but across one of the ponds??<br /><br />Meager or not, your metres are all very welcomed!<br /><br />Excluding my prattle, this forum is a gold-mine of wisdom and guidance...<br /><br />I'm 45, weigh a bit more than you... but can tell you that the C2 has been the best piece of exercise equipment I've ever used.<br /><br />Jim </td></tr></table><br />Hi Jim<br />Thanks for the welcome, the name is just a nickname I picked up a few years ago.<br />I live in England, where we spell correctly sorry, could'nt resist that!<br />Did 3790 metres tonight, I am managing to do longer distances as I get fitter and used to the exercise.<br />Hope to increase it when I get fitter!<br /><br />Andy

[old] rod7896 · Post by **[old] rod7896** » August 16th, 2005, 7:47 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(artmom5 @ Aug 16 2005, 01:14 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Courier'>Congratulations ROD!</span></span></span> <span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Geneva'>1st Marathon! </span></span></span>GREAT JOB! (and you're still talking about getting back on the erg ) Row ON! Congrats<br />Mary <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hey, thanks Mary! I followed it up with a HM the next day, and a well-deserved rest yesterday. Besides, I didn't want to kill my new training partner, Jim.

[old] julieofarc · Post by **[old] julieofarc** » August 16th, 2005, 8:04 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rowmantic @ Aug 16 2005, 07:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Julie, <br />Sense and Sensiblity? I find that watching Mr. Darcy and Miss Elizabeth Bennet of Pride and Predjudice is so much better for my erging... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well P&P would work great as well, provided it's the A&E version! Or Emma.... (Sorry guys!) Ah, the poor people behind me at the Y!

[old] Bob R. · Post by **[old] Bob R.** » August 16th, 2005, 8:24 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(deppe4 @ Aug 16 2005, 03:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I haven't downloaded my workouts from the logcard yet, but you need to have (1) installed the software that comes with the C2 (the PM3 Logcard Utility) and (2) you need to have the USB port connector which attaches to the C2 (with the logcard in the machine) and your laptop (not sure how many of us have our rowers next to the ole desktop). <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />No need to take a computer to the PM3 - take the PM3 to your computer. I loosened the nut holding the PM3 to the rower so that it's only finger tight. Every now and then I unplug it, remove the bolt, and take the PM3 to my computer upstairs to pull the workouts off the log card.<br /><br />I agree that it'd be handy if it used a USB flashdrive or a CompactFlash card, but it's really not a big deal to take the PM3 to the computer now and then.

[old] jimjayhawk · Post by **[old] jimjayhawk** » August 16th, 2005, 8:37 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rod7896 @ Aug 16 2005, 06:47 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(artmom5 @ Aug 16 2005, 01:14 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Courier'>Congratulations ROD!</span></span></span> <span style='color:green'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Geneva'>1st Marathon! </span></span></span>GREAT JOB! (and you're still talking about getting back on the erg ) Row ON! Congrats<br />Mary <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hey, thanks Mary! I followed it up with a HM the next day, and a well-deserved rest yesterday. Besides, I didn't want to kill my new training partner, Jim. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Don't let my whining back you off of any workouts... although I am doing a morning and evening workout today to try and give myself some room from your next 60,000 meters+ in 2 days..... <br /><br />Jim

[old] deppe4 · Post by **[old] deppe4** » August 17th, 2005, 9:43 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Citroen @ Aug 16 2005, 03:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(deppe4 @ Aug 16 2005, 09:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I do, also, use the paper logbook (you can request free logbook from the website somewhere).<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Did you mean this one <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/docs/training_log.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/docs/training_log.pdf</a><br />or this one <a href='http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... ogpage.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... age.pdf</a>? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The non-uk link was the one I was talking about, but you can request the pages in a "logbook" form/medium. I checked out the UK link and printed it out since I think it has good things to remember to track.<br /><br />-deppe4

[old] katbois · Post by **[old] katbois** » August 18th, 2005, 10:02 pm

I know it's late (at least on the east coast of the US) but is anyone planning to do the BLUE MOON CHALLENGE tomorrow? It's two rows in one day of at least 5k each. I'm setting the alarm for 4:30am to see if I can make it to the gym to do the first leg. I meant to mention it earlier in the week and got sidetracked! <br /><br />If I do accomplish two 5ks tomorrow, that will put me within 50k of my first million meters! <br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Mark<br /><br />ps - Welcome to all new members! The boat is getting lower in the water, but we're glad to have you with us.

[old] jimjayhawk · Post by **[old] jimjayhawk** » August 18th, 2005, 10:54 pm

Mark, <br /><br />I intend to join you in the pursuit of the Blue Moon Challenge tomorrow... fortunately my C2 model b is in my basement... but my 45 yr old carcass doesn't like to get up and good moving that much that early... instead of a 2:20-2:30/500 I'll be lucky to average 3:00/500 at that hour... the evening one will be soooo much easier. <br /><br />Jim<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(katbois @ Aug 18 2005, 09:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I know it's late (at least on the east coast of the US) but is anyone planning to do the BLUE MOON CHALLENGE tomorrow? It's two rows in one day of at least 5k each. I'm setting the alarm for 4:30am to see if I can make it to the gym to do the first leg. I meant to mention it earlier in the week and got sidetracked! <br /><br />If I do accomplish two 5ks tomorrow, that will put me within 50k of my first million meters! <br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Mark<br /><br />ps - Welcome to all new members! The boat is getting lower in the water, but we're glad to have you with us. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

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