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Posted: **July 26th, 2007, 9:31 am**

Next question....

I overheard a conversation last night about diet soft drinks being almost as "bad" for you, if you are trying to lose weight, as regular soft drinks.

Is this true?

I have recently invested in a......WATER BOTTLE!!!! (call me cheap) and I notice that, after a 60' or 90' erg, when I replace some of the sweat with a litre or more of water immediately I feel much better than when I used to take a few gulps of water from the drinking fountain and then go and have a soda.
However, on the way home from the Y, after my litre of H2O I still get my diet Dr. Pepper!

What are the problems with diet drinks?

Thanks,
Brent

Posted: **July 26th, 2007, 11:30 am**

A recent study drew a conclusion to that effect but there are too many variables to make such a definitive statement.

Personally I believe all artificial ingredients to be harmful, if you don't want sugar then do without. By the way sugar is as bad as it is painted out to be, look at the elite distance runners from Kenya who consume massive amounts of it every day. Hmm.

Posted: **July 27th, 2007, 4:31 am**

They run massive amounts most days too...

Posted: **July 27th, 2007, 10:15 am**

Diet soda is bad stuff, laden with chemicals.

Posted: **July 27th, 2007, 10:49 am**

John Rupp wrote:Diet soda is bad stuff, laden with chemicals.

Well we were never heavy imbibers. Perhaps one can per day during the summer, probaly less than that.
I certainly feel better now I am drinking more water before and after erging.

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 1:02 am**

icomefrombirmingham wrote:
John Rupp wrote:Diet soda is bad stuff, laden with chemicals.
Well we were never heavy imbibers. Perhaps one can per day during the summer, probaly less than that.
I certainly feel better now I am drinking more water before and after erging.

http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/050 ... smart.html

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 9:35 am**

Steelhead wrote:
icomefrombirmingham wrote:
John Rupp wrote:Diet soda is bad stuff, laden with chemicals.
Well we were never heavy imbibers. Perhaps one can per day during the summer, probaly less than that.
I certainly feel better now I am drinking more water before and after erging.
http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/050 ... smart.html

Thanks Steelhead for the URL. I read the article. OK...so I will cross diet pop off the list too!
Funny,
I was looking at my diet Dr. Pepper after erging last night. It, obviously, had 0 calories...but the same size bottle of regular has about 250 calories. Which, after erging for one hour and 1000 cals (according to the PM3) didn't seem so bad.
However, I think I'll quit the soft drinks....I have taken to drinking MUCH more water before and after erging...and the desire for the pop has considerably diminuished.
Regards,
Brent

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 10:39 am**

icomefrombirmingham wrote:
Steelhead wrote:
icomefrombirmingham wrote: Well we were never heavy imbibers. Perhaps one can per day during the summer, probaly less than that.
I certainly feel better now I am drinking more water before and after erging.
http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/050 ... smart.html
Thanks Steelhead for the URL. I read the article. OK...so I will cross diet pop off the list too!
Funny,
I was looking at my diet Dr. Pepper after erging last night. It, obviously, had 0 calories...but the same size bottle of regular has about 250 calories. Which, after erging for one hour and 1000 cals (according to the PM3) didn't seem so bad.
However, I think I'll quit the soft drinks....I have taken to drinking MUCH more water before and after erging...and the desire for the pop has considerably diminuished.
Regards,
Brent

I stopped drinking soda about 15 years ago. Why pay for flavored water (diet sodas)? Why dump all that sugar into our bodies (actually high fructose corn syrup in the US (regular sodas))? Chemicals or sugar in water is not a good idea in my opinion. That worthless 250 calories from high fructose corn syrup and preservatives should be replaced with some whole fruit full of vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients. I hope you can give up the pop; your body will thank you for it and you won't have type II diabetes either.

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 1:18 pm**

Steelhead wrote:
icomefrombirmingham wrote:
Steelhead wrote:http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/050 ... smart.html
Thanks Steelhead for the URL. I read the article. OK...so I will cross diet pop off the list too!
Funny,
I was looking at my diet Dr. Pepper after erging last night. It, obviously, had 0 calories...but the same size bottle of regular has about 250 calories. Which, after erging for one hour and 1000 cals (according to the PM3) didn't seem so bad.
However, I think I'll quit the soft drinks....I have taken to drinking MUCH more water before and after erging...and the desire for the pop has considerably diminuished.
Regards,
Brent
I stopped drinking soda about 15 years ago. Why pay for flavored water (diet sodas)? Why dump all that sugar into our bodies (actually high fructose corn syrup in the US (regular sodas))? Chemicals or sugar in water is not a good idea in my opinion. That worthless 250 calories from high fructose corn syrup and preservatives should be replaced with some whole fruit full of vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients. I hope you can give up the pop; your body will thank you for it and you won't have type II diabetes either.

I am beginning to realise what you realised 15 years ago!
I have always eaten a good amount of fruit but for the first time in my 50 and 11/12ths years I have started to drink good old fashioned water.....and really enjoy it! And that came about after reading posts on here and needing the water immediately after erging...(I generally do 1 hr...approx 14km ergs and am sweating like a pig during and afterwards afterwards).
I will now stop the sodas and I don't think I will miss them.
Thanks for the input.
Regards,
Brent

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 7:22 pm**

icomefrombirmingham wrote:Next question....

I overheard a conversation last night about diet soft drinks being almost as "bad" for you, if you are trying to lose weight, as regular soft drinks.

The normal BS about diet drinks are the stories about Aspartame the sweetner that's normally used in them.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp
http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/antpoison.asp

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 8:48 pm**

I still have to have my Dr Pepper fix but the vast majority of what I drink is iced tea. I have the 2 quart Mr Coffee iced tea maker (keep hearing negatives about the 3 quart) and a variety of loose teas. Oh and the Sam's Club sized box of Splenda keeps things cheap too..

There was a study(British I think) released recently that debunked iced tea as a diuretic. Not that much caffeine and the good stuff(antioxidants) in it makes it desirable.

Posted: **August 1st, 2007, 9:07 pm**

Is diet soda better than regular soda for losing weight? Yes, It has fewer calories.

Is it healthy? No.

Sorry I have no links or anything... but I have followed this stuff for a few months... basically diet soda wont give you cancer unless you drink more than like 4 cans a day (then your chances are really really low) But all soda is very acidic and promotes calcium loss.

Posted: **August 2nd, 2007, 1:32 am**

Buckiller wrote:Is diet soda better than regular soda for losing weight? Yes, It has fewer calories.

Is it healthy? No.

Sorry I have no links or anything... but I have followed this stuff for a few months... basically diet soda wont give you cancer unless you drink more than like 4 cans a day (then your chances are really really low) But all soda is very acidic and promotes calcium loss.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/ ... 0142.shtml

Posted: **August 2nd, 2007, 9:05 am**

So....perhaps the simplest answer to my original question is that sodas of any kind (diet or regular) are highly processed "foods", with little to no nutritional value, and possible but not proven negative health impacts.

On this basis I'll just say no....except to the very occasional Dr. P!

Now.....what about beer?

Brent

Posted: **August 2nd, 2007, 10:53 am**

icomefrombirmingham wrote:So....perhaps the simplest answer to my original question is that sodas of any kind (diet or regular) are highly processed "foods", with little to no nutritional value, and possible but not proven negative health impacts.

On this basis I'll just say no....except to the very occasional Dr. P!

Now.....what about beer?

Brent

Drinking in excess of these guidelines has been associated with an increased risk of several serious health ailments, such as cancer, high blood pressure, and liver disease. Be warned that drinking over moderation can lead to liver damage, dangers of drunk driving, and damage to fetuses of pregnant women who are drinking…just to name a few.

The health risks of beer

Ever heard of the ‘beer belly’? In a German study, Gerard Klose said ‘dangers begin to emerge in men measuring more than 94 centimeters around the middle, and become "really risky" at a girth of 102 centimeters’. ‘Too much fat’, he said, ‘makes diabetes, certain forms of cancer and heart disease a distinct possibility’.’

It’s no secret that high levels of fat accumulated on the body is unhealthy and can cause serious illness over time. An article in the London Times reports that fat that collects around the internal organs to form the typically male beer belly will also find its way into the bloodstream and in turn, raise your cholesterol levels. This leads to heart and vascular disease and strokes.

Moderation is key here, as it is in all things. Beer is a wholesome drink that is made from natural ingredients, but like anything that is overused or overly consumed into the body, it, too, can cause damage and become dangerous for us. For moderate drinkers, beer can be nutritious.

http://nd.essortment.com/beerhealthbene_rryq.htm

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