1 month in and no change... suggestions?

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by D.C. » November 21st, 2020, 4:55 am

Dear Cillacat32,

first: I'm no medical doctor nor scientist nor competitive athlete.

My age is 45, I'm 178cm (5,83ft) tall, 71.5kg (157lbs) heavy. I did sport all my life - with breaks of years.
My weight changed from 65kg to 80kg up and down over the years. I looked from greasy to sporty.
(please feel free to correct my non-metric information, if I calculated them wrong).

I'm a person, that is gaining weight/fat very fast, just when looking at food.

For two month I constantly loose 4kg a month, so I lost 8-9kg in two months.
The self-flagellation was limited so far. The fun factor was great! :D


So here is what works best for me - short story:
1. Improved nutrion / tracking
2. Workout 5-7 days a week, 30-90 minutes with variation
3. Keeping my heart rate in view


So here is what works best for me in detail:

1. Nutrition
a. Do not lie to yourself. Often people complain: I do not loose weight, I'm not eating a lot, I don't eat "wrong" food
i. That's in most cases not true (I speak for myself!)
ii. Often one eats the wrong things, too often, too much
b. Use a calorie tracker app - the food industry uses so much sugar and shit in nearly every product
c. No/little alcohol, like said (just on weekends or holidays, sometimes a beer or two)
d. No sugar (as far as possible), no sugar substitutes
e. No convenience food, like sauce mix
f. Read the nutrition labeling, when you buy food. A lot of "healthy" products contain as much sugar like a coke
i. Example: 1 liter of a "fake-healthy-drink" contains often 9grams of sugar/carbohydrates per 100ml(!).
That's in total for 1 liter: 90grams. 1 lump sugar is 3 gram, so 1 liter is 30 lump sugar
g. Be "careful" with fruit/fruit drinks. They also contain a lot of sugar. Better drink water
Dont's get me wrong: Eat fruit, but be sensitive, what kind of fruit and how often. Better fruit than fruit drinks/smoothies
h. Eat vegetable like crazy ... eat more vegetable
i. Eat less meat
i. I changed from "meat is my vegetable" to 1-3 times meat a month
j. Drink a lot of water. 30-40ml per kg weight
k. Don't do all the things above all days. Reward yourself - but not on a regular basis
2. Workout / tracking
a. Use a smartwatch - I highly recommendate (Apple Watch, Android, etc.)
b. Monitor your trainigs, movement, calories burned
3. Workout / heart rate
a. There are a lot of pulse calculators on the internet - use one. Read about "aerobic/unaerobic)
i. Example for me:
1) My maximum heart rate is 184
2) Fat burning zone: 110-129
3) Aerobic zone: 130-147 (fat burning and improvement of breathing and cardiovascula)
4) Unaerobic zone: 148-165 (only get into this zone for a short time - more information on the internet)
b. In my trainings, I try to have a heart rate of 120 - 145
4. Workout / regularity (example, how it suits me)
a. First: I'm doing it very often for now - do it like it suits you!
b. 5-7 days a week (or less, but try to have a regularity)
c. 1 hour walking with a heart rate of 120-135. No jogging, no regular walk. Something inbetween, so you sweat
i. In my break, when I'm at work
ii. Don't use your phone, if you may reach your interlocutor by feet! Walk! :)
iii. Use functional underwear!!! :)
d. When I'm at home: 30-60 minutes rowing
i. I use a heart rate belt
ii. Not at difficulty "10", but at "6". Sometimes I change (variation)
iii. I split the time into 8 minutes, 20 seconds break, 4 minutes, 20 seconds break, 6 mintutes and so on
iv. I watch youtube videos I'm interested while rowing or netflix on my tab with tab-holder .. so I don't "feel" the time rowing
v. Have variation in your trainings. I rarely do 30-60 minutes in one step
v. Heart rate in between "your zone" (mine is 120-145 with peaks) and sometimes I do it for peaks up to my max zone
5. Functional training
a. Push-ups (easy ones with knees on the ground and regular ones)
b. Abdominal workout
c. Sometimes weight training
d. Sometimes I ride my bike
e. Allways walk, if you do not need your car. Walk! :)


All in all, that seems to be much, but it was an evolved process over a longer time with
a lot of experiments for me, to find *my* best training, which does not stress me.

Regards and good luck!
Daniel
Hobby indoor rower and water avoider.
Germany - Rhineland palatinate.

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by Tsnor » December 13th, 2020, 1:20 am

Also see the post above that talked about converting fat weight into muscle. If your times are improving at constant weight you are definitely changing body composition.

As suggested a $50-$100 scale will give you a body fat breakdown. I have two -- and they do not move in the same direction all the time. The fitbit scale (aria 2) I think is less accurate, but it keeps the data online, you can see graphs, etc so it might be the more useful one.

You bathroom mirror will do that for you also. Google for charts of people at various body fat percents. The way you are working you are getting leaner. One month is not a lot of time to see long term sustained results.

Also, the "long and slow rowing is best for weight loss" contrasted with the "studies show HIIT, Tabata, intervals are better for weight loss" debate is still ongoing. I think both work. Data seems to point more towards intervals, but YMMV. Google if you haven't seen this debate.

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by robbiep » December 13th, 2020, 3:56 am

Tsnor wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:20 am
Also see the post above that talked about converting fat weight into muscle. If your times are improving at constant weight you are definitely changing body composition.

As suggested a $50-$100 scale will give you a body fat breakdown. I have two -- and they do not move in the same direction all the time. The fitbit scale (aria 2) I think is less accurate, but it keeps the data online, you can see graphs, etc so it might be the more useful one.

You bathroom mirror will do that for you also. Google for charts of people at various body fat percents. The way you are working you are getting leaner. One month is not a lot of time to see long term sustained results.

Also, the "long and slow rowing is best for weight loss" contrasted with the "studies show HIIT, Tabata, intervals are better for weight loss" debate is still ongoing. I think both work. Data seems to point more towards intervals, but YMMV. Google if you haven't seen this debate.
I've recently found this

I'd been a bit disappointed that I'd not dropped much weight this year (only about 3lbs).

The other week, SWMBO decided that we were going to go out for dinner, and I picked out one of my favourite polo shirts that hasn't been worn since February.
To say that it was tight across the shoulders was an understatement - although I hadn't realised it before then, lats and traps have definitely put on mass and shape, probably more so than when I was swimming regularly a few years back
https://log.concept2.com/profile/41592/log

51 HWT M
50+ PBs : (recent in red)
100m 17.0 / 500m 1:36.3 / 1k 3:32.2 / 2k 7:29.9 / 5k 19:51.7 / 6k 23:53.3 / 10k 41:36.4
HM 1:29:38.2 / 1 min 310m / 30 min 7407m / 60 min 14124m

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by MiddleAgeCRISIS » December 13th, 2020, 8:19 am

Tsnor wrote:
December 13th, 2020, 1:20 am
Also see the post above that talked about converting fat weight into muscle. If your times are improving at constant weight you are definitely changing body composition.

As suggested a $50-$100 scale will give you a body fat breakdown. I have two -- and they do not move in the same direction all the time. The fitbit scale (aria 2) I think is less accurate, but it keeps the data online, you can see graphs, etc so it might be the more useful one.

You bathroom mirror will do that for you also. Google for charts of people at various body fat percents. The way you are working you are getting leaner. One month is not a lot of time to see long term sustained results.

Also, the "long and slow rowing is best for weight loss" contrasted with the "studies show HIIT, Tabata, intervals are better for weight loss" debate is still ongoing. I think both work. Data seems to point more towards intervals, but YMMV. Google if you haven't seen this debate.
"Long and Slow" vs " HIIT , Tabata" is an interesting discussion.

"Long & Slow" is working for me through sheer volume and consistency. I've decided to row essentially without effort for 20km a day. I dont sweat and heart rate is always under 120 and often below 107. My view is that this is repeatable and apart from managing tightness , its been doable. After 250 days - i'm almost used to it.

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by ZKRING » January 9th, 2021, 10:21 am

I'm sure are making improvements. Some people need more time to lose/gain weight.

Also, you can't forget the most important goal it's learn how feed you healthier. A complete meal and healthy, can get you a lot of improvement. Not only on your weight, also in your mind.

Keep working it and keep learning!

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by septikangel » February 5th, 2021, 1:19 pm

Hi Cillacat32,
at nearly 62 yrs old, 6'2" I was 241lbs four weeks ago.
Also have hypothyroidism which means a very slow metabolism....bit of a disadvantage all my life, just have to work harder.
My times aren't as fast as yours (eg about 49+ for 10k) but am rowing regular, at least 4 times a week, sometimes more.
I'm currently 230lbs.
Yes, I've lost 11lbs in 4 weeks.
Gave up biscuits, crisps, ice cream, sweets and more I reckon.
3 meals a day.
No snacks at all in between....nothing...nada.
Breakfast of porridge and fruit as late in the morning as I can manage. Usually about 10am.
Lunch of two eggs, or rice cakes with cottage cheese, beetroot, olives or similar. Sometimes just soup with light bread or a tin of mackerel or half a tin of beans or ravioli with toast.
Dinner is kept healthy with salads along with chicken breast and more, occasionally with oven chips, sometmes with a pudding of yoghurt and fruit.
Drinking usual amount of water, not really increased, just drink when I'm thirsty.
Green tea and coffee/tea with milk in between perhaps but absolutely nothing in betweem that may spike insulin.
NOTHING IN BETWEEN and having Dinner prior to 6pm means I'm fasting for 16 hours.
Had a few headaches along the way, felt a bit worse for wear about a week or so ago, but this seems to be working for me.
May work for you too?
NOTHING IN BETWEEN.
Except for reasonable drinks (your choice)
Absolutely nothing.
In between .... did I already say that? :)
Working for me, hope it does for you too.

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Re: 1 month in and no change... suggestions?

Post by estragon » February 6th, 2021, 4:48 pm

A lot of interesting and useful advice and ideas on this thread. For the OP, or any other new rower, the sheer volume of suggestions might seem overwhelming. Instead of inspiring it might be confusing -- though I don't doubt for a second the good intentions of all the contributors. The truest insight I ever heard (from the great George Sheehan) is that "every athlete is an experiment of one". We should remember this. What works for some posters won't work for everyone. I'm hugely impressed, for instance, by the poster who rows 20km a day but that's a heck of a commitment that I personally couldn't match. I simply don't have the time, and even if I did I'd be very concerned about overtraining (based on my own past experiences). But if it works for him, then great.

All the dietary advice is potentially valuable. I've done/do most of these options myself at some time, and have found some to be more successful than others FOR ME. Others will differ. But there is a consensus, here and elsewhere, that diet is the key to weight loss. I agree with the OP that keto/low carb can be a bit cheerless, but it's effective. So when I need to lose weight I tend to think in terms of strict keto (sub-20g carbs per day) for 2 or 3 weeks to make a dent in my target, and then ease back a bit to low carb (say <50g a day). Unlike some, I can't cope with the idea of NO bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, fruit for ever more. They just need to be reined in.

But exercise is really important too. Not so much to try to burn huge amounts of calories -- that's almost impossible. But exercise makes you feel better about yourself, and helps keeps you motivated. Exercise certainly doesn't reduce our appetite but it usually helps us to make better choices about diet. If I go for a long walk or jog, or spend 30-60 minutes on the C2, the very last thing I want to do is guzzle a pizza and a few beers, thereby totally ruining my effort. Regarding rowing/ski-erging. as others have said, it's important to keep records to help work out what works and what doesn't. At a minimum, I hope the OP is using the C2 online Logbook. I also use a spreadsheet to log fancier stats to help me compare how I'm doing. I don't give a fig about my performance compared with other people who are quite different from me, and who'll have a completely different training history / body shape / fitness level / age / weight / target /... you name it. All I care about is how I compare with my own previous performance levels and targets. It always helps to have targets. For instance, I've been away from rowing for a month or two, and just restarted this week. When trying to get re-motivated, I noticed that my total metres this rowing year (May-April) are about 200,000 below my record year, 2 years ago. Right. That gives me a clear objective of >200K before the end of April. It's a very doable target of about 2,400 metres a day but if I don't turn it into a daily habit I know it can easily get away from me.

A word of warning. Unless you're a younger person who's still developing and still getting stronger and faster, it can be a bad idea to chase ever faster times, ever longer sessions on the erg. You have to make sensible choices to match your abilities. I'm in my 60s, and have never rowed more than 10K. I think it's perfectly possible for me to aim to build up my distances, probably up to 20K or a half marathon, as long as I take it steadily. The idea of trying to knock out that distance AND make some really fast time is just not on the table for me. I would fail and very probably injure myself if I tried. So don't get too hung up on what other people are doing. Set your own targets and work out how best to get there.

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