New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by Bob S. » April 6th, 2011, 6:49 pm

Corkster52 wrote:Was my first day on my machine. Yeah, I pulled a few times when I got it out of the box, but today was the real thing. Worried about overdoing it and wishing I hadn't, I did 2500 meters at about a 22-24 spm pace. Not sure if that is good, bad, or indifferent, but am glad that I am finally doing something!
The rate is reasonable, depending on what you are trying to do. Ordinary exercise rows are usually done at around 20 spm (+/- 5). Time trials are usually done at 24 and up - as high as 50 for short pieces, like 500m and less. Long pieces are usually done at lower rates than the shorter ones. Short-limbed rowers generally row at higher rates than long-limbed rowers. For intervals, it depends on the time or distance.

Whether you are doing well or not is best judged by comparing your time with others in your age/weight/gender bracket:

http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/rankings.asp

Note that, for indoor rowing, the term pace is used to express the intensity of your rowing, in seconds/500m, not for the number of strokes per minute. The spm is called rate. A rate of 22-24 spm could be very hard or very easy, depending on how hard you pull each stroke.

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by Corkster52 » April 6th, 2011, 7:17 pm

Thanks for the clarification. My goal is primarily for weight loss and secondly for overall well being.

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Post by Bob S. » April 6th, 2011, 7:25 pm

Corkster52 wrote:Thanks for the clarification. My goal is primarily for weight loss and secondly for overall well being.
The UK C2 has a site that specifically addresses the use of the C2 indoor rower for weight loss:

http://concept2.co.uk/weightloss/interactive

I can't vouch for it myself, but others on this forum have said that it is a good program. I have used their more general Interactive Programme (sic) and felt that it was very helpful.

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by carlb » April 6th, 2011, 7:39 pm

Corkster52 wrote:Was my first day on my machine. Yeah, I pulled a few times when I got it out of the box, but today was the real thing. Worried about overdoing it and wishing I hadn't, I did 2500 meters at about a 22-24 spm pace. Not sure if that is good, bad, or indifferent, but am glad that I am finally doing something!
Judge by your percieved effort, use measures you'll find on the web like "can you talk while you are exercising". You want your HR up into the 60% to 75% range. You are just getting started so take your time, your body will need to adapt... a lot. Work on getting the technique right. Work up to 25 minutes then on making the time to get in 25 minutes 5 or 6 days per week. Time makes more progress then pace.

Check out tips from a Master http://ucanrow2.com/instructors/trainer-tips/
Beginning rowers should resist the temptation to row for 30 minutes or more their first time out on the machine. Have them start with no more than 3-5 minutes at a time, then take a break to stretch and walk around. If they feel good they can do up to four of these short rowing intervals.

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by Corkster52 » April 7th, 2011, 6:53 pm

Thanks for the sound advice. I added 500m today and my time was only about 12 seconds longer than yesterday. I tried to bring my rate down to the low 20s, but when I was really concentrating on each stroke I jumped back to over 24. Bob, I did work harder on the pull than yesterday, but I am sure my form is deplorable. Thankfully I was no more than slightly stiff this morning, so I plan to extend my durations and distances as I go. Greg, I do have an old Polar chest-band and wrist reader somewhere, so I will incorporate that too.

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Post by Corkster52 » April 8th, 2011, 6:35 pm

Added another 500 just now and was able to keep the rate between 18-20 for 20 minutes (except for10 or so sprint strokes now and then just to see what it feels like). Ate way too much junk food today, so I feel guilty big time. Now that I am into my first weekend with this beauty, what is customary for weekend rowing. Morning and night, longer row during the day...? Thanks in advance!

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Post by Bob S. » April 9th, 2011, 12:11 am

Corkster52 wrote:I do have an old Polar chest-band and wrist reader somewhere, so I will incorporate that too.
For $25 you can get a receiver for the C2 monitor that picks up the signal from a Polar chest transmitter:

http://www.concept2.com/us/indoorrowers ... requip.asp

This puts the pulse rate right up there on the monitor which is easier to see than trying to check your wrist receiver.

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Post by Corkster52 » April 9th, 2011, 5:56 am

Thanks Bob! Just ordered it!

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by shorelinelaw » April 9th, 2011, 7:32 am

Well.....so I took one day off....and yesterday threw 3,500 m off like it was nothing. Blew me away! I was 30 sec faster on avg 500m.

But my weight is still coming down. 3lbs since I started this thread. That included at least 1 "I'm not proud of this day..." which was actually last night. Watching movies with my son with a glass of wine in my hand and snack/desert food all around. Rest of the week has been quite good.

I think my form is pretty good. But I don't really know. Whatsthebest way to make progress on it...

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Post by Corkster52 » April 9th, 2011, 12:13 pm

Had to get the battery changed in the wrist-band reader, but was able to go 4000m keeping my heart rate at about 138 and rate in the 18-20 range. Was sweating a bit and had a water bottle for dry mouth that I experienced a couple of times, but felt good! Changed the display on the PM3 to work on my stroke. Sort of hard for me to get in sync with extend legs THEN 1-11 o'clock with the shoulders, but it is getting better

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by Bob S. » April 9th, 2011, 1:54 pm

shorelinelaw wrote:
I think my form is pretty good. But I don't really know. Whatsthebest way to make progress on it...
Have a video taken from the side and post it on this forum and the UK forum as well. \

Bob S.

P.S. I just saw a couple of brief videos of myself at the 2001 Beach Sprints and I was really shocked to see that I was finishing my stroke with a horrible mantis pull. No matter how well I think I am using proper form, the only way to tell is to see it on a video.

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Re: New to Rowing...Want to lose 15-20lbs...suggestions?

Post by Steelhead » April 9th, 2011, 3:06 pm

shorelinelaw wrote:Hi!

I'm brand new. My model E is downstairs and I've loved rowing the last few days. I have a son interested in crew - so we share it.

i used to be VERY BIG (325lbs). A strict-Atkins diet dropped me to 199lbs. But I skyrocketed back to 245. About a year and a half ago, I got serious. Cut my refined carbs. Read Joel Fuhrmans books. Dropped Refined carbs; Then Red Meat; Then Chicken; Then Dairy; Then Fish. Went from 246 - 179lb. Popped up to a trading range of 183-185 for a while. That was great. At 6', in the low 180's I'm actually skinny. (I have a big frame). Cholesterol is fantastic.

However, the winter, holidays, and a recent trip to Rome has put me in the low-mid 190s. Too big! I want to nip this in the bud before it gets worse.

My breakfasts include a mix of tofu and veggies and some soy cheese. Salads for lunch. Dinners have some soy product. I tend to drink a large amount of coffee or espresso. I find, I know this is controversial, that a glass of red wine most nights HELPS weight loss. (More than 1 - not such a good idea.).

Outside of the recent rowing, my primary exercise is walking my dogs for 2.5 miles.

Any suggestions as to a good training path to start out on the rower? I' have been doing 2,500 meters a day set at 3 just to get myself started. I have a gym in my house, so I use the mirrors to make sure i've got the technique "ok".

What about rowing with digitial rowing? Is that a good thing to at first?

Thanks for any advice!
You may want to go back to Dr. Fuhrman's diet plan, or Dr. McDougall's. The key to weight loss in simple terms is: eat less, move more. Based on what you wrote, you are no longer following the lifestyle (Dr. Fuhrman's) that allowed you to lose fat effortlessly. Why are you eating so much fat (tofu, soy cheese, processed soy)? To burn body fat, you need glycogen (which comes from carbohydrates) to burn with it when you are exercising. And the glass of wine is not helping you lose weight -- eat nutrient dense foods instead.

And then start increasing your exercise -- walking your dogs could be problematic if you are walking slow and making stops so the dogs can sniff around. Make them heel, and then put them on a forced march without distraction breaks. If you are walking 3.0 mph, then you should be burning 100 calories per mile. Keep increasing the 2500 meters to say 6000 (rowing 30 minutes) and you should burn about another 550 calories depending on the exertion.

So eat less (refined, processed, high fat food and more unrefined, unprocessed, low fat, plant based whole food), and move more (with some exertion).
Mike

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Completed the Certificate Program in Plant-Based Nutrition through eCornell and the T. Colin Campbell Foundation, January 11, 2011.

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Post by Corkster52 » April 9th, 2011, 6:16 pm

Decided to do a slow row for longer time and distance. Did my first 5K, but it took a little over 31 minutes. Rate was a bit higher but heart rate only around 129

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Post by gregsmith01748 » April 9th, 2011, 10:27 pm

@corkster: Nice work. Half a hour on the erg is long time. Do you have an idea of what your max HR is? A HR of 129 might be perfect aerobic base training or it could be "out of the zone" for you. You really seem to be off to a great start.
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Post by Corkster52 » April 10th, 2011, 7:51 am

Greg, thanks for the feedback and the encouragement! I looked up a number of websites to determine the best formula to use for max heart rate and all of them were pretty much in the same range of 162-165. The Mayo Clinic said my working heart range should be 113-138 (and that is what I was using yesterday while on my erg). The American Heart Association says it should be 81-138. Another site had it broken down somewhat differently with my age of 58 and resting heart rate at 70. They said for EASY 128-143 AT 153-158 VO2MAX 158-168. What is your opinion for an old codger like me that really could look to lose 50 pounds (or at least 40)? Thanks!

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