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Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: December 28th, 2021, 1:17 pm
by wryly coyote
Am relatively new to rowing and all the data. Seems pretty straightforward so far but am confused by what is considered "rest meters"
Here's a recent workout I did (using Asensai) and here's how it was recorded:
5,631m
METERS
30:00.1
TIME
2:39.8
PACE
502
CALORIES
137
HEART RATE
Rest Distance 3,912m
Rest Time 25:08.0
Overall Distance 9,543m
Overall Time 55:08.1
Average Watts 86
Calories Per Hour 594
Stroke Rate 21
Stroke Count 1071
Seems odd that it considers 3,912m as "rest meters" even if it wasn't as hard as the other 30 minutes. Can anyone explain how some meters get marked as rest while others don't?
Re: Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: December 28th, 2021, 3:26 pm
by Joebasscat
Normally you would see “rest meters” as meters rowed between intervals. Example would be if you were doing 5 x 1000 meters with say 5 minutes rest between intervals, the paddling done during the rest period would be recorded as rest meters. Hope that helps.
Re: Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: December 28th, 2021, 4:24 pm
by jamesg
If you set up on PM and do an interval type work out, such as 6x6 minutes, with 4 minutes rest, then you'd row a total of 6x6' + 5x4' = 36+20 = 56 minutes. The display in PM then shows the 6 working intervals one by one, and the rest meters (paddled during the rests) only as a total in the last line.
In your example you did:
5631 m in 30' at 86W average.
3900 in 25' at 49W average.
Re: Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: December 29th, 2021, 12:04 am
by wryly coyote
Thanks for the info. I'm a large guy (about 260lbs) and got a rowing machine last year but only really started taking rowing seriously the last few months. What is the ideal targets for wattage for a beginner my size? I have the rower set to 5 and it certainly feels like a workout but should I be trying to lower the drag setting to get a higher wattage or just keep going and let it take care of itself?
Re: Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: December 29th, 2021, 12:46 am
by jamesg
What you did already if you can do it almost every day is fine. Maybe at the end of each session, push it a bit to let yourself see your own development, using the legs.
Doing both long continuous and shorter interval work brings experience. I use 5 minute intervals when I want to try something new, which usually means putting a bit more work into each stroke.
Damper 5 if it's a new machine may seem too a little high when pulling at low ratings: we need a balance of force and speed/length of pull to work to best effect. High drag needs force and can push you into a short stroke at high ratings; low drag favors a technique with higher pull speed and length of action.
The PM display can show the drag factor: typical is 110-130, but I use 90 since I like a longish (120-124cm), quick (1.9m/s), low force (35-40kg) action, at height 185 (6'1"), with plenty of time for recovery beween strokes. Ratings 19 to 22. You can see all the numbers in Ergdata on a phone.
Re: Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: December 30th, 2021, 3:33 pm
by wryly coyote
jamesg wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 12:46 am
What you did already if you can do it almost every day is fine. Maybe at the end of each session, push it a bit to let yourself see your own development, using the legs.
Doing both long continuous and shorter interval work brings experience. I use 5 minute intervals when I want to try something new, which usually means putting a bit more work into each stroke.
Damper 5 if it's a new machine may seem too a little high when pulling at low ratings: we need a balance of force and speed/length of pull to work to best effect. High drag needs force and can push you into a short stroke at high ratings; low drag favors a technique with higher pull speed and length of action.
The PM display can show the drag factor: typical is 110-130, but I use 90 since I like a longish (120-124cm), quick (1.9m/s), low force (35-40kg) action, at height 185 (6'1"), with plenty of time for recovery beween strokes. Ratings 19 to 22. You can see all the numbers in Ergdata on a phone.
Thanks for the info. I picked damper 5 because when it's lower i didn't feel much pull at the end and felt less stable at the end of the stroke but maybe it just takes getting more used to.
Re: Question about rest data on Concept 2 logbook
Posted: January 4th, 2022, 3:11 pm
by mitchel674
I believe this is an issue with Asensei. Which workout was this?
I'm on the Asensei beta team. Did you report this to Asensei?