Bizarrely variable heart rate

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Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by H2O » December 11th, 2024, 10:00 am

I notice a bizarre phenomenon: at easy pace my heart rate jumps around bizarrely, like e.g. here:
https://log.concept2.com/profile/2423512/log/95088330,
while under high stress it doesn't, like e.g. here:
https://log.concept2.com/profile/2423512/log/95158339
is this normal?

My monitor complains that it has trouble connecting with Ergdata (on Iphone 8).
Could this be a reason?

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by Sakly » December 11th, 2024, 10:13 am

The first log seems to show connection issues, or at least reception errors, as there are many plateaus as well. Second one seems to be ok.
Recently my H10 started to pass out in the middle of the rows for no reason. It needs a reset before it connects to the PM5 (or any other device) again. Little bit annoying, when the tech stuff not working as expected...
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1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
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500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by p_b82 » December 11th, 2024, 11:16 am

I'd second the fact it looks like it's a connection issue in the top log
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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by MPx » December 11th, 2024, 11:21 am

Could it be that you're not sweating enough on the easy row to keep the pick ups moist but are on the harder session? Do you "wet" the chest belt before starting?
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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by H2O » December 11th, 2024, 3:46 pm

MPx wrote:
December 11th, 2024, 11:21 am
Do you "wet" the chest belt before starting?
I wet both the belt and myself and the belt has a patch of fabric where the moisture is held (which is better than plastic).
But maybe it's not enough.
I have noticed that the measured heart rate seems to have some sort of "memory": often I go on and I know that I am below HR 100 but it shows 130, the heart rate I stopped at on the last row. It then takes a little to go down.

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by Dangerscouse » December 11th, 2024, 5:01 pm

How long have you had it? It might be near there the end of its life due to sweat. Have you got a spare belt to use? I've found that can be an issue sometimes too, especially if you don't at least occasionally wash it.
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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by nick rockliff » December 11th, 2024, 5:34 pm

My H9 used to do exactly the same thing. Ended up in the bin and got a Garmin Dual, not had a problem since but have noticed the Garmin strap has started to fall apart.
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PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by Ombrax » December 11th, 2024, 11:39 pm

DIY (Google "diy electode gel")

Or get the real thing:

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by H2O » December 12th, 2024, 7:40 am

Thanks for all replies. I am a cheap skate and maybe this is not the best approach with a heart rate monitor.
I am going to make my own electrode gel, which seems to be easy enough, see https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Electrical-Gel.
If that doesn't work, I'll have to get the professional solution.

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by jamesg » December 13th, 2024, 1:55 am

On a Polar watch I started to see occasional extra electric impulses from the belt, at about age 75.

These caused the watch and PM readings to lock at an arbitrary number between 160 and 240, while seeing 90-120 on a finger oxymeter.

Such additional pulses (extrasystoles) always appear in an ecg.

Then a month or so ago, the extra electric impulses disappeared (from PM and watch), and now pressure and electric impulses coincide again.

However I now get some oppressive/pressure chest feelings suggesting, but not actually causing, sudden death. This has reduced me to max 10x1'+1'R intervals at <100W.

This coming Monday I'll know what a cardiologist thinks about it.
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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by H2O » December 15th, 2024, 12:25 pm

For context: I have 2 HR monitors, one from decathlon, the other from Amazon (Moffit), each below 30 EUR. The one from Decathlon has a belt where the electrodes are fabric. This is supposed to be superior, as it retains the humidity better. The Moffit HR has plastic electrodes.

Now I manufactured some electrode gel. With this I got a reasonable reading out of the Moffit and inconsistently also out of the Decathlon HR.
With electrode gel the belt with plastic electrodes seems to be superior, since one can clean the gel off more easily.
Electrode gel is definitely a good idea.

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by Tsnor » December 15th, 2024, 4:52 pm

jamesg wrote:
December 13th, 2024, 1:55 am
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However I now get some oppressive/pressure chest feelings suggesting, but not actually causing, sudden death. This has reduced me to max 10x1'+1'R intervals at <100W.

This coming Monday I'll know what a cardiologist thinks about it.
Scary. Very glad you're seeing your cardiologist. When you get good news let us know.

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Re: Bizarrely variable heart rate

Post by H2O » December 15th, 2024, 9:21 pm

jamesg wrote:
December 13th, 2024, 1:55 am

However I now get some oppressive/pressure chest feelings suggesting, but not actually causing, sudden death. This has reduced me to max 10x1'+1'R intervals at <100W.
I missed this. Best wishes, I hope you are OK!

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