ErgData

[Andy L]

Dusted off the erg after 7 years, replaced the PM3 with a PM5, downloaded ErgData and off I went.
My question is about the extra data now available to me and how to interpret it, how to assess my levels and what to improve?
I am 51, 6ft, 82Kg and managed a 6:49 2k 7 years ago (and too scared to attempt another !!) with a current RHR of 45bpm.

All comments and instruction greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Citroen]

Create an account at https://log.concept2.com

Sync your Ergdata workouts to that online log and you get lots of extra data on there.

[MaxC]

what level of resistance do you use for your 2k? sub 7 mins was our goal back at uni but rammed right up to 10 like you 25 years on not too keen to try it again.

[Citroen]

what level of resistance do you use for your 2k? sub 7 mins was our goal back at uni but rammed right up to 10 like you 25 years on not too keen to try it again.

You need to study https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/ ... etting-101 as it is NOT resistance, it IS flywheel damping based on airflow through the fan cage.

[Dangerscouse]

Dusted off the erg after 7 years, replaced the PM3 with a PM5, downloaded ErgData and off I went.
My question is about the extra data now available to me and how to interpret it, how to assess my levels and what to improve?
I am 51, 6ft, 82Kg and managed a 6:49 2k 7 years ago (and too scared to attempt another !!) with a current RHR of 45bpm.

All comments and instruction greatly appreciated.

Thanks

I personally don't find much of the data to be useful. I only use it as it makes updating my logbook so easy.

If you want to increase your 2k, the most important info is on the PM5. Maybe consider doing the Pete Plan after you have built up some base fitness?

The best thing you can do ASAP is do a 2k on the basis that it is what it is, and not to try and achieve a PB. Once you have got this you can base your pace for all other sessions off this.

It sounds daunting but it's important to start to lose the fear of a 2k. Start slowly and build it up as you progress.

what level of resistance do you use for your 2k? sub 7 mins was our goal back at uni but rammed right up to 10 like you 25 years on not too keen to try it again.

99% of people I know, and I'm including a lot of 6:00-6:20 2kers, use 120-130df

[Carl Watts]

As Citroen has already said, setup a Concept 2 LogBook.

The Ergdata result is EXTREMELY useful if your also using a heartrate monitor and you then add a note to your row like I do with Temperature and Humidity and Synchronize or Sync it to the logbook.

It contains your stroke count (that I had been waiting for someone to implement for over 5 years) and a record of your drag factor and the whole graphs of HR, pace and rating that you can move along with the cursor.

First of 4 x 2000m rows yesterday.

https://log.concept2.com/profile/863525/log/41699669

What else do you need ? That is enough for 95% of those out there on the Erg.

[MaxC]

what level of resistance do you use for your 2k? sub 7 mins was our goal back at uni but rammed right up to 10 like you 25 years on not too keen to try it again.

You need to study https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/ ... etting-101 as it is NOT resistance, it IS flywheel damping based on airflow through the fan cage.

Thank you, and thanks for the damper Settings link however I would argue that this indirectly affects the resistance, but will refer to it as damping from here on in

Most grateful

[jackarabit]

The care and feeding of the airy faeries which infest the C2 fan cage is a rather complex task cf. to the minimal attention required by the frictive brakers in the Airdyne or the wee magnetos of your garden variety bike rollers). Hard as it is to credit, there dwell among us a few fortunate souls whose rowing skills compensate their regrettable misunderstanding of the intricacies of fizzix.

[JustYankin]

The Ergdata result is EXTREMELY useful if your also using a heartrate monitor and you then add a note to your row like I do with Temperature and Humidity and Synchronize or Sync it to the logbook.

It contains your stroke count (that I had been waiting for someone to implement for over 5 years) and a record of your drag factor and the whole graphs of HR, pace and rating that you can move along with the cursor.

I agree completely. The biggest benefits for me are the ability to record continuous HR Data and the stroke count.

I do a lot of steady sessions with prescribed stroke rates and 30r20 is a regular workout for me. It's nice be able to watch the stroke count and make sure you're on track. It helps distract me during long rows and I do a lot of math to see what the stroke count should be for every 15 or 30 second interval.

I have also found a lot of use in checking drive speed and drive length to make sure my technique isn't getting sloppy.

[Carl Watts]

Yeah the Stroke Count was long overdue for the 30R20, in fact you cannot row a true 30R20 without a counter, the 20spm average the monitor works out is just not accurate enough.

Pretty much I look at the count every 10 minutes, the math is easy, 200 strokes, 400 strokes, finish on 600 +/-3 strokes is all good.

ErgData is great.

[jamesg]

current RHR of 45bpm.

This indicates you're fit already, so you know how it's done. Or do you mean then current, 7 years ago?
Whatever, nothing replaces endurance, especially if you want to do anything other than erging.

Ergdata shows stroke length and handle force; 65% of height and 50% of weight ** cannot fail to keep you fit. All you need do is adjust the rating to make it doable for 30+ minutes today; and repeatable tomorrow. In any case PM5 shows the data really needed: time, Watts and rating.

** 1.8 * 0.65 * 82 * 0.5 * 20 * g /60 = 157 Watts at rate 20, which should be easy enough to start with.

Some really interesting work can be found in Wolverine Plan, L4.

[Carl Watts]

Wouldn't read too much into a low 45BPM resting HR, Whats your maximum ?

I have mates who have lower resting than mine but when I told them mine finished a row in the 170's they said they would be puking in a bucket by then so its all relative.

[Dangerscouse]

Wouldn't read too much into a low 45BPM resting HR, Whats your maximum ?

I have mates who have lower resting than mine but when I told them mine finished a row in the 170's they said they would be puking in a bucket by then so its all relative.

Agreed. I know some very fast ergers with max HR of 155 and some, equally as fast, with max of circa 200. There's no specific target for a max HR it is too subjective

[MPx]

Wouldn't read too much into a low 45BPM resting HR, Whats your maximum ?

On the other hand... your max is what it is and wont change (other than very slowly slowing as you age). Your resting rate however does respond to training and will lower as you get fitter...

[Dangerscouse]

I have had an Ergdata epiphany. Now that I am trying to actually care about specific stroke rates I am finding it a lot more useful