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Post by Chad Williams » March 23rd, 2006, 4:54 am

Daren, I have corrected your earlier post.
I rather hope Dwyane will apologise to the community for seeking to dupe them while accepting congratulations from those who accept his "achievements" at face value. Of course, that may well take a person with more honour than I think Dwayne has. More balls, too. Even if he does come clean, no doubt he'll try to dress it up and pass it off as an exercise that was in all our best interests.
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Post by Chad Williams » March 23rd, 2006, 4:54 am

Daren, I have real problems understanding your logic.

I produce to C2 the following evidence for a 5.44.9 2000m row-
.XLS file showing the data for the row, a copy of the row taken from the log card, a .jpg image of the monitor taken after the row and an IND_V PM3 code. With all that information you then come out all guns blazing claiming all sorts.

Let’s go back a month or so, Dwayne Adams (A team mate of yours) claims he has rowed a 2000m in 5.46.2 and produces one piece of “proof” that being the IND_V code, with that you then start patting him on the back. He did however claim he would produce far more evidence to back his row up but this never materialised.
I am not the only person ever to question Dwayne’s rowing times, I have just made it more visible to people what he has been doing and continues to do, with people like you “supporting” him he will continue to run with this charade.

If like you say this issue does not bother you either way then why do you protect Dwayne so much?

Your loyalty to Dwayne borders on nauseating butt kissing.

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Post by Daren » March 23rd, 2006, 5:15 am

Chad Williams wrote:Daren, I have real problems understanding your logic.

I produce to C2 the following evidence for a 5.44.9 2000m row-
.XLS file showing the data for the row, a copy of the row taken from the log card, a .jpg image of the monitor taken after the row and an IND_V PM3 code. With all that information you then come out all guns blazing claiming all sorts.

Let’s go back a month or so, Dwayne Adams (A team mate of yours) claims he has rowed a 2000m in 5.46.2 and produces one piece of “proof” that being the IND_V code, with that you then start patting him on the back. He did however claim he would produce far more evidence to back his row up but this never materialised.
I am not the only person ever to question Dwayne’s rowing times, I have just made it more visible to people what he has been doing and continues to do, with people like you “supporting” him he will continue to run with this charade.

If like you say this issue does not bother you either way then why do you protect Dwayne so much?

Your loyalty to Dwayne borders on nauseating butt kissing.
This is nothing to do with Dwayne per se, and I don't have any overarching loyalty to him. I'm not even in Taff Attack any more, having withdrawn earlier this week.

As I have said to others, and indeed to yourself, I don't care whether Dwayne's times are genuine or not because there's nothing at stake. If he feels the need to post false times to bolster his own ego, well so be it. Under different circumstances, I would not care about your claims, either, but in this case I do care because I believe you have posted a false time for the purpose of seeking to undermine those of another. It's your motives that I take issue with, not the fact that any of us can cheat the system, and the fact that you are gunning for Dwayne in particular armed with nothing but suspicion and circumstance.

Regarding your claimed time, I know what I know, and I'm sure you know what I know as well. If it's not OK for Dwayne to post false times, why is it OK for you to do so? You've become the evil that you're up in arms against. How ironic.

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Post by Chad Williams » March 23rd, 2006, 5:53 am

Daren wrote:and the fact that you are gunning for Dwayne in particular armed with nothing but suspicion and circumstance.
You forgot the word "evidance"

You know what you know and I know what I know, that fact is I know far more than you know.

When the fog clears things are easier to see.

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Post by Daren » March 23rd, 2006, 5:58 am

Chad Williams wrote:
Daren wrote:and the fact that you are gunning for Dwayne in particular armed with nothing but suspicion and circumstance.
You forgot the word "evidance"

You know what you know and I know what I know, that fact is I know far more than you know.

When the fog clears things are easier to see.
So, why don't you post your evidence here, for us all to see? In all the posts you've made about Dwayne, I've yet to see one where you offer any evidence beyond cicumstantial and speculative.

If you have proof that Dwayne's cheating, I'm sure everyone here would want him outed. Myself included, as I don't like cheats.

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Post by Chad Williams » March 23rd, 2006, 6:29 am

Daren, as I have said before I have seen the proof that Dwayne is indeed a fake, this proof however can not be made public for various reasons. I would love nothing more than to be able to publish it but have to take the 3rd parties wishes into account.

I have to summarise that there is virtually 0 chance of the proof ever coming into the public domain; I thought at one point that I may be able to change that but it looks very doubtful.

The proof does exist; what ever you think of me I can promise you that whole heartedly.

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Post by Daren » March 23rd, 2006, 7:28 am

Chad Williams wrote:Daren, as I have said before I have seen the proof that Dwayne is indeed a fake, this proof however can not be made public for various reasons. I would love nothing more than to be able to publish it but have to take the 3rd parties wishes into account.

I have to summarise that there is virtually 0 chance of the proof ever coming into the public domain; I thought at one point that I may be able to change that but it looks very doubtful.

The proof does exist; what ever you think of me I can promise you that whole heartedly.
I offer the same reasoning and explanation regarding what I know about your time. I'm not going to be able to post anything in a public forum, so unless you or anyone else who was involved step forward and put their hands up in the air, I guess you'll also get away with it.

From that perspective, if you do have proof against Dwayne, I fully understand your frustrations, as they are probably the same frustrations I have right now about you. =)

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Post by hjs » March 23rd, 2006, 7:59 am

Daren wrote:
Chad Williams wrote:Daren, as I have said before I have seen the proof that Dwayne is indeed a fake, this proof however can not be made public for various reasons. I would love nothing more than to be able to publish it but have to take the 3rd parties wishes into account.

I have to summarise that there is virtually 0 chance of the proof ever coming into the public domain; I thought at one point that I may be able to change that but it looks very doubtful.

The proof does exist; what ever you think of me I can promise you that whole heartedly.
I offer the same reasoning and explanation regarding what I know about your time. I'm not going to be able to post anything in a public forum, so unless you or anyone else who was involved step forward and put their hands up in the air, I guess you'll also get away with it.

From that perspective, if you do have proof against Dwayne, I fully understand your frustrations, as they are probably the same frustrations I have right now about you. =)

What's your problem Daren? C is only showing the weakness in the system. You know, I know and everybody who followed this knows what the 544 and the 546 are worth.

Maybe It would be a good idea to make a new Ranking. This for the top seeds, lets say the top 100. All the times should be backed up bye race results. If not than the row cant get on it.

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Post by Daren » March 23rd, 2006, 8:02 am

hjs wrote:What's your problem Daren?
I think I've made that perfectly clear.
hjs wrote:C is only showing the weakness in the system.
So, are you now accepting that Chad's time isn't genuine? How is it OK for him to exploit weaknesses in a system based upon trust, but not someone else?
hjs wrote:You know, I know and everybody who followed this knows what the 544 and the 546 are worth.
I don't know what the 544 and 546 are, let alone what they're worth.

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Post by hjs » March 23rd, 2006, 8:11 am

1 Chad Williams 42 GBR 2000 05:44.9 IND_V
2 Dwayne K. Adams 41 Phoenix AZ USA 2000 05:46.2 IND_V
3 Poul Bysted 42 DEN 2000 06:07.5 RACE
4 Andreas van Tonder 44 White River MP ZAF 2000 06:07.7 IND
5 Andrew Sangster 43 DEN 2000 06:10.4 RACE
6 Antti Niskanen 43 FIN 2000 06:12.8 RACE
7 Kent Petterson 40 NOR 2000 06:14.6 RACE
8 Nick Rockliff 48 Tadcaster Nth Yorkshire GBR 06:16.4 IND
9 Dave Gray 46 USA 2000 06:16.6


544 and 546 daren.
And yes I accept what C is doing. You know what his 546 is worth. He has done a ctc test, he has done a 10 min piece and so you can deduce what he is capable off.
He will show this at birc.
Mister 546 will never show anything.

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Post by row4life » March 23rd, 2006, 9:56 am

Chad Williams wrote: I have seen the proof that Dwayne is indeed a fake, this proof however can not be made public for various reasons. I would love nothing more than to be able to publish it but have to take the 3rd parties wishes into account.

I have to summarise that there is virtually 0 chance of the proof ever coming into the public domain; I thought at one point that I may be able to change that but it looks very doubtful.

The proof does exist; what ever you think of me I can promise you that whole heartedly.
Blah blah blah...you've been blowing your horn about this for over a month now. Put up or shut up!!

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Post by Chad Williams » March 23rd, 2006, 10:07 am

row4life wrote:Blah blah blah...you've been blowing your horn about this for over a month now. Put up or shut up!!
Shall I write it in bigger print for you?!!? Go back a read what I have written in my last post, you can read can't you!!

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Post by michaelb » March 23rd, 2006, 10:21 am

I think you have put it in print enough, Chad. You have no evidence, and you will never post evidence that Dwayne's times, including his witnessed rows, are not real.

What I find baffling about this thread, and your behavior, is why you would behave this way if you really are the fastest 40 HWT of all time. You will never enjoy the respect and admiration that you may have been entitled to, or even regain your standing in this forum or in the indoor rowing community.
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Post by hjs » March 23rd, 2006, 10:27 am

michaelb wrote:I think you have put it in print enough, Chad. You have no evidence, and you will never post evidence that Dwayne's times, including his witnessed rows, are not real.

What I find baffling about this thread, and your behavior, is why you would behave this way if you really are the fastest 40 HWT of all time. You will never enjoy the respect and admiration that you may have been entitled to, or even regain your standing in this forum or in the indoor rowing community.
this : Poul Bysted 42 DEN 2000 06:07.5 RACE
is the fastest 40 plus man this year, no one else.

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Post by Chad Williams » March 23rd, 2006, 10:28 am

I do have evidence but am not able to publish it, that is what I posted two posts ago.

I am the fastest “claimed” 40 Hwt on the C2 rankings. My “claim” holds a whole lot more weight than that of the claim holding 2nd place.

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