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Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 3:09 pm

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tomhz wrote: John's HM PB of 1:22:48.9 was done 3.5 years ago. He never did faster than 1:25 after that. Still respectable times ofcourse, but it is worth noting.

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Much as I hate to support John :lol: I really do not see what the point is you are making Tom. How current does a time have to be before you can mention it.

I did a 2K on Saturday in 7:12 which is 6 seconds slower than my PB set in Boston. Am I not allowed to mention that time?

If John did a 1:22 then very well done to him. I have not heard him say anything that means he should have qualified that with the year it was done
I suspect the point Tom is making is that contrary to the impression you might get if you didn't know otherwise, John didn't row his 1:22 when he was 60, but back when he was 56. I'd be surprised if he could accomplish it again in any sort of a verifiable fashion, but I doubt he'll try. If John did manage to do so after years of declining performance despite plenty of meters, I'd be impressed! - and would applaud him for finally adopting a more reasonable training plan :)
Thanks Bill for explaining. :)
I think it is reasonable to mention when a PB is more than 1-2 years old. You post your PB to inform others about yourself. Mentioning the age of this PB adds some more information.

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Re: little sissy boy

Post by johnlvs2run » July 5th, 2006, 3:28 pm

Hey Tom,

I just looked at your signature file and you don't have your PB's listed there.

Where are they?

If you are posting your PB's to inform others then you have certainly missed the boat.

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bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Re: little sissy boy

Post by johnlvs2run » July 5th, 2006, 3:34 pm

Geesh Whp4, you don't have your PB's listed either.

I did 1:22:48.9 with my OWN training program.

Too bad all the back seat drivers have a problem with that but then, since they keep missing the boat they are all wet anyway. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The fact remains that I have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9. :P
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by johnnybike » July 5th, 2006, 5:24 pm

Whoops, didn't mean to get caught in the middle of a Holy War

I see your point Tom, although I think most people who have PBs in their sig don't qualify them with the year they were done. Just an assumption of 'fairly recently'
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Post by ancho » July 5th, 2006, 5:35 pm

A PB is a PB, independently from when it was done.
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Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 6:01 pm

ancho wrote:A PB is a PB, independently from when it was done.
B)
true, by the letter. My PB is 6:40.3, done 25 years ago, but I wouldn't dare to call this a PB in this forum (oops, now it is there :) ).
When done many (or maybe even 3.5 years :wink: ) ago is says nothing or little about one's current fitness or potential.
My current 2K is 7:17 and I will be happy with every second I go faster in the future.

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Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 6:05 pm

johnnybike wrote:Just an assumption of 'fairly recently'
Indeed, most of us make this assumption when reading other's PB's.
I just added some extra information by stating that this PB was not "fairly recently".

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Re: little sissy boy

Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 6:08 pm

John Rupp wrote:Hey Tom,
I just looked at your signature file and you don't have your PB's listed there.

Where are they?
In the rankings.


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Post by johnlvs2run » July 5th, 2006, 6:10 pm

Tomhz,

You don't have any times in your profile, your most recent time was 25 years ago, and you are complaining because I have put all of my recent times in the link in my signature file??!!

Wow that makes you quite the hypocrite doesn't it! :shock:

You also don't have your age or division in your signature file. :lol:
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Re: little sissy boy

Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 6:20 pm

John Rupp wrote: The fact remains that I have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9. :P
True. And that was a fine performance for a LW man at the age of 56. I will be very, very happy if I can do that at the age of 55+. If done at the age of 60 it would have been a superbe achievement. But you didn't.
That is all. Still reason to be proud of it. No one is picking on you (well maybe whp4 is :wink: , but I suppose that has another reason).

Tom
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Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 6:31 pm

John Rupp wrote:Tomhz,

you are complaining because I have put all of my recent times in the link in my signature file??!!
I am not complaining

I just was a little surprised about your post: "I am 60 and have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9".
For all readers that wrongly concluded that you did 1:22:48.9 at the age of 60, I added the info. No more no less.


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Post by johnlvs2run » July 5th, 2006, 6:34 pm

Tom,

I trained for quite awhile to do that half marathon and haven't aimed for it since, but am quite confident that I could achieve a similar PERathlon score at age 60.

If you are interested to find your PERathon scores then just click my signature file and you will be able to calculate them for your times.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by johnlvs2run » July 5th, 2006, 6:36 pm

tomhz wrote:I just was a little surprised about your post: "I am 60 and have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9".
The statement is true and the fact remains that I have all my times in my signature file and you don't.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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Post by tomhz » July 5th, 2006, 6:40 pm

John Rupp wrote:
tomhz wrote:I just was a little surprised about your post: "I am 60 and have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9".
The statement is true and the fact remains that I have all my times in my signature file and you don't.
Yes, and this statement is true too.

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Post by whp4 » July 5th, 2006, 8:39 pm

John Rupp wrote:
tomhz wrote:I just was a little surprised about your post: "I am 60 and have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9".
The statement is true and the fact remains that I have all my times in my signature file and you don't.
Actually, you don't have any times in your signature file, you have a link to a forum posting which has them buried in a bunch of silliness.

And why would Tom want his times in your signature file? :?

If the providers of the forum really thought it important that our PBs appear under our postings, they could mandate that we put them there. For that matter, with a bit of work, our best results from recent years could be automatically inserted. Frankly, I attach about as much (read: very little) importance to a list of PBs in a posting as I do to the picture in the profile when judging whether a given posting has any merit. There are people who are fast because of what they do, and people who are fast despite what they do, and the same is true for those who are not fast. The posting has to stand on its own merits. Rich Cureton is a former world record holder - why aren't you following his very low stroke rate/high SPI training methods that he shares endlessly on the UK forum? If it's just a matter of comparing PBs when deciding who to read, his are better than yours, and I suspect he's got better Johnathon numbers, too.

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