Ranking comparison

[nick rockliff]

Odd that an educated and articulate EE can’t cotton on to a generally-accepted concept of hierarchy easily grasped by a six year old after a couple of 3-legged sack races.

That made me smile

[JaapvanE]

Odd that an educated and articulate EE can’t cotton on to a generally-accepted concept of hierarchy easily grasped by a six year old after a couple of 3-legged sack races.

My point that something is only a race when all parties involved agree that it is a race. As a former training partner (and world champion and olympic gold winner) quite nicely put it: "That you are racing against me, doesn't mean I have to race against you.".

Just assuming that somebody wants a race is a bit like toddlers think they race somebody on a bike, only to find out the other person was just going to school in his normal quick tempo. Or closer to my former racing career: just because I am completely geared up doesn't mean I am willing to compete against any fool who feels like it and cry victory when you pass me, I am just on my way to try to dethrone the reigning world champion so I rather not waste my energy.

IMHO, if you really want to compete that way, you still to manage all environmental conditions, especially rower tilt etc before accepting anything to be valid, preferable with a decent referee there as the wrong PM5 setting can have quite competition falsifying results. So when you look at that, you should only accept the "Race" results in the rankings and forget the rest. The rest is based on the honor system at best, and actually should be considered just a personal log.

[jackarabit]

So when you look at that, you should only accept the "Race" results in the rankings and forget the rest.

Timely turn away from previous solipsistic special pleading and right on point. Although having nothing to do with telephone pole sprints in which only she who comes first admits to racing, there is a competition in which everyone competes whether anyone wishes to or no. Called life.

[Ombrax]

Now, now, let's not get personal about it.

[Elizabeth]

That's pretty harsh, but thanks for the heads up. I was considering a FM split in 4 with decent breaks in between, but this kills the joy of that approach...

The full list of rules is here- https://log.concept2.com/rankings

Anything beyond a HM, I find that I need a quick bathroom break. Like Tsnor said, the clock keeps running so I try to keep it quick if I plan on ranking it. You can still mentally divide it into a 12,195m followed by 3x10k and take decent breaks in between (or however you were planning it), as long as you start with 42,195 on the PM5 and count down to zero. You can request a free Marathon pin from Concept2 after you finish, too.

Dangerscourse, now that it's hot I get more heart rate drift if I don't drink. It's so humid right now and I went through a liter of water on the erg this morning and another liter as soon as I stepped off.

[Carl Watts]

The rankings were sorted a while back now you can filter verified results only so you can drop all the rubbish. If it's not verified it never happened.

[Dangerscouse]

Dangerscourse, now that it's hot I get more heart rate drift if I don't drink. It's so humid right now and I went through a liter of water on the erg this morning and another liter as soon as I stepped off.

I do wonder if HR drift due to heat is too much of an issue, as usually your RPE will remain the same, so is there anything to worry about? For example my HR raises when I'm on holiday and lying down, so would that count against recovery too?

Surprisingly I did a steady 18k yesterday, and it was hot and humid (22c and 87%) but my HR stayed very steady at 143 for the last 7k, with only 0.5 pace difference at most. Not sure what to make of that, but I didn't drink anything, so it would be interesting to have seen if it would have been lower or fallen if I had drank.

[Elizabeth]

Dangerscourse, now that it's hot I get more heart rate drift if I don't drink. It's so humid right now and I went through a liter of water on the erg this morning and another liter as soon as I stepped off.

I do wonder if HR drift due to heat is too much of an issue, as usually your RPE will remain the same, so is there anything to worry about? For example my HR raises when I'm on holiday and lying down, so would that count against recovery too?

Surprisingly I did a steady 18k yesterday, and it was hot and humid (22c and 87%) but my HR stayed very steady at 143 for the last 7k, with only 0.5 pace difference at most. Not sure what to make of that, but I didn't drink anything, so it would be interesting to have seen if it would have been lower or fallen if I had drank.

I'm not sure - I didn't drink for anything under about a HM in the winter and was fine, but I feel like I need it now. It's funny. I've had practically identical conditions to you for the past two mornings (~21c, 90-92%). It's typically much hotter later in the day, but that humidity is ridiculous. One of my younger kids saw me after I ran on Thursday and asked why I had taken a shower with my clothes on.

[Dangerscouse]

One of my younger kids saw me after I ran on Thursday and asked why I had taken a shower with my clothes on.

Hahaha, it does feel like that. I've done hot dynamic Pilates on a Monday night for about 10 years now, and it's heated to circa 30c, and as the room is quite small, when it's full it must get up to 35c. It's a very dynamic session too, so when I finish I'm literally dripping with sweat. I think that has got me a bit more used to the hot weather, although I don't miss my chance to moan about it being too hot & humid.

[Dickie]

The long and the short of it is the rankings are an Honor System (see #10 in the rules at the bottom of the ranking page). It has a set of rules,that, if followed, allow one to compare themselves with others with high confidence. If you are not following the rules, then you can't compare to even yourself to track progress as the circumstances between your own workouts won't be meaningful.

I use the logbook to enter my meters, if you look at it you might see some very good times for some of the workouts, but you won't see them ranked because I was not following the rules.

[jamesg]

Aesop's hare thought he'd win, but the rule was first past the post.

There can be no other rule, because by the time the second comes in, there are no more prizes to award and the judges have gone home.