Hello - Rower Choice

[Anth_F]

Re model E or D. E is higher and thats horrible when you are tired. You want the ground nearby in that situation. Almost never an E is better. D can also be stored much easier, by putting it in two.

What difference does higher off the ground mean, when you're tired. You're sitting down in both D and E instances

I would say the E holds firm, better than the D when in sprinting situations. The D's have a tendency to go walkabouts on sprints with their lighter build structure.

[hjs]

Re model E or D. E is higher and thats horrible when you are tired. You want the ground nearby in that situation. Almost never an E is better. D can also be stored much easier, by putting it in two.

What difference does higher off the ground mean, when you're tired. You're sitting down in both D and E instances

I would say the E holds firm, better than the D when in sprinting situations. The D's have a tendency to go walkabouts on sprints with their lighter build structure.

This shows you never felt the difference. First of all, you don,t sit, you need to lie down. Second if you stay up, sitting more crunched feels simply better. Believe me, I raced even on a E and done hard sessions in gyms on holliday.

Ps, I so need you once in a gym so I push you once.

[hjs]

Thanks for the information about the PM5 set up and also about the SkiErg.

With respect to the rower and for that matter any exercise equipment that has a digital display... how accurate if anything is the display relative to calories burned?

Forget that anyway. The only way to get fitter and weigh less is food, food, food... sure exercise is important but if you do so for burning energy you won,t get far.

What do you mean by "The only way to get fitter and weigh less is food, food, food..." ?

I always thought the only way to loose weight is to have a calorie deficit.

Yes, thats what I ment, I ment the right food and not to much.
Modest in carbs and high in protein will work best.

[Anth_F]

Re model E or D. E is higher and thats horrible when you are tired. You want the ground nearby in that situation. Almost never an E is better. D can also be stored much easier, by putting it in two.

What difference does higher off the ground mean, when you're tired. You're sitting down in both D and E instances

I would say the E holds firm, better than the D when in sprinting situations. The D's have a tendency to go walkabouts on sprints with their lighter build structure.

This shows you never felt the difference. First of all, you don,t sit, you need to lie down. Second if you stay up, sitting more crunched feels simply better. Believe me, I raced even on a E and done hard sessions in gyms on holliday.

Ps, I so need you once in a gym so I push you once.

Oh you mean collapsed to the floor off the machine after hard stuff. I've done that plenty times believe me... never got hurt falling off though, or found it a problem to fall off. Just some more inches to the deck to travel over the D is all.

[hjs]

What difference does higher off the ground mean, when you're tired. You're sitting down in both D and E instances

I would say the E holds firm, better than the D when in sprinting situations. The D's have a tendency to go walkabouts on sprints with their lighter build structure.

This shows you never felt the difference. First of all, you don,t sit, you need to lie down. Second if you stay up, sitting more crunched feels simply better. Believe me, I raced even on a E and done hard sessions in gyms on holliday.

Ps, I so need you once in a gym so I push you once.

Oh you mean collapsed to the floor off the machine after hard stuff. I've done that plenty times believe me... never got hurt falling off though, or found it a problem to fall off. Just some more inches to the deck to travel over the D is all.

its gravity, the with the legs lower it harder work for our heart. First time doing interval stuff on an E I also thought. Wtf? But it really matters. Think about it, when really tired do we stay up standing or want go down, sitting lying.. thats not for nothing.

[jackarabit]

Hjs writes:

its gravity, the with the legs lower it harder work for our heart. First time doing interval stuff on an E I also thought. Wtf? But it really matters. Think about it, when really tired do we stay up standing or want go down, sitting lying.. thats not for nothing.

Put the D up on 6” boxes so you can get on without a crane and sling. Remove the boxes so can fall off and twitch like a fish out of water without calling a bonesetter.

What a wonderful world. i’ve had my D up on 2” riser blocks in the front (stern) to exactly compensate a ShoxBox under the rear (bow) leg to maintain the 2 or 3° down pitch of the slide. Currently it’s on the floor. I row on one or other of two Es at the YMCA gym. Haven’t had nosebleeds yet but it doesn’t make setting down a water bottle alongside any easier. I usually put it on the slide between my feet. Will C2 will add cupholders in the near future?

[Anth_F]

I usually put it on the slide between my feet. Will C2 will add cupholders in the near future?

Cupholders to be installed on the future model F i reckon

[Dangerscouse]

Ps, I so need you once in a gym so I push you once.

Hahahaha. I reckon we all could do with this

[ccpt2kiddo]

I got my rower earlier than I had planned.

UPS dropped it off today and I just finished a new work out and I'm beat and it surely brings to my mind how fat I am.

One of my downfalls is I don't read the manual right away and just jump into it so I may have over done it.

I had the damper on 5 and did a 2000m row and then I did a 500m and then a 10 minute timed row.

Any suggestions other than the obvious for a first time rower?

Goal here is to cut the fat... I am at 231lbs today down from 237 at the first of the month by just decreasing my calorie intake.

I have not had much exercise because I have plantar fasciitis so I cannot walk or run.

So far while on the rower I have not had any foot pain so I think I'll be ok.

I am just really feeling it in my shoulders, lower back, gut and I hate to say it my jewels.

[Ombrax]

Congratulations !!!!

First, spend some time here checking things out and learning about the rower and how to use it best: https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/training

Damper on 5 is a good place to start. Maybe eve a tad lower. If you want to get a bit more technical, on the options on the PM pick the "Show Damping Factor" and row a bit and see where you are. A DF around 100-140 is good, but pick the one that feels "best" to you. It is somewhat subjective, but you'll soon be able to tell the difference. Whatever you do, unless you're a super-strong guy doing a sprint, don't just slam the lever to 10 and row.

The best way to loose weight is long, slow rows (and cut down your calorie intake). If you row too hard you'll burn a lot of calories in a short period of time, but not as many as you will rowing slower and for a longer period of time. As you've probably already figured out, rowing fast is HARD. But work at it, and you will most certainly improve over time. All it takes is dedication and effort. Your body will respond.

To keep things "down there" in place it helps to use the correct type of shorts. I have a mix of old cycling shorts with worn-out chamois and "real" rowing shorts. Some folks say cycling shorts don't work on the erg. They do for me. But there are plenty of rowing shorts available online.

Good Luck : )

[Dangerscouse]

I got my rower earlier than I had planned.

UPS dropped it off today and I just finished a new work out and I'm beat and it surely brings to my mind how fat I am.

One of my downfalls is I don't read the manual right away and just jump into it so I may have over done it.

I had the damper on 5 and did a 2000m row and then I did a 500m and then a 10 minute timed row.

Any suggestions other than the obvious for a first time rower?

Goal here is to cut the fat... I am at 231lbs today down from 237 at the first of the month by just decreasing my calorie intake.

I have not had much exercise because I have plantar fasciitis so I cannot walk or run.

So far while on the rower I have not had any foot pain so I think I'll be ok.

I am just really feeling it in my shoulders, lower back, gut and I hate to say it my jewels.

If your lower back is hurting, you need to work on your technique as well as making sure you aren't rowing on too high a drag factor.

If your gut is also hurting it sounds like you have a weak core so you should try and include some core workouts in your weekly programme. Simple pilates exercises will really help. When you 'drive' you should be tensing your abs so they are a primary, but understated, part of the process of rowing

[lindsayh]

now is the time to switch to the Training sub forum here and "what training...." and search for newbie threads - huge amount of information to help

here is one to start:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=186553 and in particular this one:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=185257

[ccpt2kiddo]

Thanks for the information. I will move any future posts to the correct training thread.

I was able to move this morning where as I thought yesterday I would be really hurting today.

Just finished rowing another 25min for today - pain wise much better on my back today its more in my shoulders but it's only day two.

When you train/exercise are you doing it daily or do you alternate?

[Dangerscouse]

I only row three, or sometimes four, times a week. I also do a 60 mins hot dynamic Pilates class and a circuits class, along with two weights sessions if I can find the time due to work commitments.

I know of a few people who row every day, which if you dont go too hard, or you can recover quickly, is possible.

Always remember you can only train as hard as you can rest. So don't try and over do it if you are not recovering between sessions.

[ccpt2kiddo]

I got the app working so I did a 1000m row. still don't fully understand all of the data points but figured I post here for any comments