The Rankings are not an honour (honor for the US) system

[GeorgeD]

Bill,

It was a statement not a promise.

My dog eats mostly chicken and carrots.

I have all my log books. Since May 1st though I've been writing them in a notebook where I had usually made notes of various things, intending each day to transfer the training to my training log and not having done it yet, each day the task getting longer. Also I wasn't too interested for a bit, doing other things, so it got a bit behind. Now I am changing how I am doing the training and running more too so it is giving me a different perspective.

Anyway when I find that information you are interested in then I will post it especially for you. But that's not a promise, you see, as who knows if and when that will happen.

John you are sound like stRANGER

George

ps Is the retaining wall doing its job

[johnlvs2run]

Hey George,

The retaining wall looks great and is doing well.

This was the left side before pulling out the railroad ties:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/jo ... gwall5.jpg

Here is after completion:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/jo ... wall4b.jpg

How is your rowing coming along.

[GeorgeD]

Hey George,

The retaining wall looks great and is doing well.

This was the left side before pulling out the railroad ties:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/jo ... gwall5.jpg

Here is after completion:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/jo ... wall4b.jpg

How is your rowing coming along.

Bloody hell John that is a heck of a job you have done there it looks fantastic

Rowing is getting messed up by work, tiredness, and opportunity at the moment - I need to maximise my effort on the erg.

I dropped my drag yet again the other day (it is like a yoyo even tho I know that is a stupid thing to do) back down to about 111 - I was at 130 but I just feel sluggish there - I dunno. Just not sure where I want to go at the moment

regds George

ps I like the look of the 'foreman' in the pictures he/she look great !!!

[TomR]

I dropped my drag yet again the other day (it is like a yoyo even tho I know that is a stupid thing to do) back down to about 111 - I was at 130 but I just feel sluggish there - I dunno. Just not sure where I want to go at the moment

George,

Fiddling w/ the drag is a sign of an infestation of gremlins in the head.

If you start talking about SPI, then we'l know it's time to worry about you.

Tom

[HardGainer]

Sheez! A few well-considered posts here but ... I think I'll move to the UK forum if this is the general standard around here!

It's obvious to anyone that there will be honest and dishonest entries in the rankings database - given the way in which entries are posted and the way in which, collectively, human beings behave. That should be an end to it. Take it for what it is or don't use it ... If you find it useful, acknowledge it; if not, say so without resorting to flaming one another.

I personally find it a great motivator for improving my times because I'm confident that 90% of people will be honest when posting their rankings.

Thanks C2 for providing one of the more helpful sites on the Internet for me

Just two things that I don't think anyone touched on (can't be sure - gave up wading through all the abusive posts):

I started adding verification codes to some of my log entries purely out of technical self-interest ... (my times are not good enough for anyone to be remotely concerned whether or not they are honest) ... only to find that the system for verifying the codes died about a week later. Can't help but wonder whether the software writer may have read some of this thread and decided to bug it

Oh, and if you think that posting a RowPro file gives any proof of performance then you are naive. It's a simple XML text stream that is sent to the C2 site and manipulation of the row parameters would be a pretty trivial task for someone with some maths and computer knowledge and the motivation to do it.

[rowmyboat]

I agree with you entirely Hardgainer, the rankings site is a great motivator, likewise the CTC challenge and the Nonathlon, they all combine well to encourage improvement in times and I work with them all to keep the challenges to the fore every time I sit down and row.

I don't understand why anyone would cheat, they're only fooling themselves and then when a competition comes along all would be revealed I would think, perhaps they aren't competitive, it might be to their benefit then to become competitive.

I look in the forum only occassionally but it does disappoint me at times - I look for the contributions that I gain so much from and hope they keep coming as there are many people who have a great deal of knowledge and expertise that one can learn so much from.

Thanks to all the positive contributors, I do appreciate your input.

[Chad Williams]

I don't understand why anyone would cheat, they're only fooling themselves and then when a competition comes along all would be revealed

A good point. So how would someone get away with posting WR times on the rankings and then go to the races and perform to a very poor standard to what they claim they are capable of?

Let’s, for example, say that someone claims to have rowed a sub 5.50 for a 2000m but when that same person races at an public event they would only row something like a 7.01. and then continually under perform at public events but behind closed doors they perform with spectacular results month after month, like you rowmyboat I also find that hard to believe.

[row4life]

I don't understand why anyone would cheat, they're only fooling themselves and then when a competition comes along all would be revealed

A good point. So how would someone get away with posting WR times on the rankings and then go to the races and perform to a very poor standard to what they claim they are capable of?

Let’s, for example, say that someone claims to have rowed a sub 5.50 for a 2000m but when that same person races at an public event they would only row something like a 7.01. and then continually under perform at public events but behind closed doors they perform with spectacular results month after month, like you rowmyboat I also find that hard to believe.

You're an idiot on this thread as well.

[johnlvs2run]

row4life, Dwayne and Roland have the same vocabulary.

[Tyn]

So do all of you Johns!


Eat tofu! and be Happy

[mpukita]

Eat tofu! and be Happy

Is that possible Tyn? Tofu = Happy Food? I don't know about tofu, but I think gelato, or chocolate, or beer would be happier food!

Yes, Be Happier!

[johnnybike]

I've ahead of you in all 10 events, am 60 and have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9.

What is your time for half marathon?

John's HM PB of 1:22:48.9 was done 3.5 years ago. He never did faster than 1:25 after that. Still respectable times ofcourse, but it is worth noting.

Tom

Much as I hate to support John I really do not see what the point is you are making Tom. How current does a time have to be before you can mention it.

I did a 2K on Saturday in 7:12 which is 6 seconds slower than my PB set in Boston. Am I not allowed to mention that time?

If John did a 1:22 then very well done to him. I have not heard him say anything that means he should have qualified that with the year it was done

[johnnybike]

I personally find it a great motivator for improving my times because I'm confident that 90% of people will be honest when posting their rankings.

My thoughts exactly. The rankings, the Nonathlon and signatures of fellow poster's times are what keeps me interested and coming back for more.

[Tyn]

Eat tofu! and be Happy

Is that possible Tyn? Tofu = Happy Food? I don't know about tofu, but I think gelato, or chocolate, or beer would be happier food!

Yes, Be Happier!

Isn't beer a drink??

[whp4]

I've ahead of you in all 10 events, am 60 and have done the half marathon in 1:22:48.9.

What is your time for half marathon?

John's HM PB of 1:22:48.9 was done 3.5 years ago. He never did faster than 1:25 after that. Still respectable times ofcourse, but it is worth noting.

Tom

Much as I hate to support John I really do not see what the point is you are making Tom. How current does a time have to be before you can mention it.

I did a 2K on Saturday in 7:12 which is 6 seconds slower than my PB set in Boston. Am I not allowed to mention that time?

If John did a 1:22 then very well done to him. I have not heard him say anything that means he should have qualified that with the year it was done

I suspect the point Tom is making is that contrary to the impression you might get if you didn't know otherwise, John didn't row his 1:22 when he was 60, but back when he was 56. I'd be surprised if he could accomplish it again in any sort of a verifiable fashion, but I doubt he'll try. If John did manage to do so after years of declining performance despite plenty of meters, I'd be impressed! - and would applaud him for finally adopting a more reasonable training plan