What happened to Karpinnen's World Record

[Rockin Roland]

I have a copy of the official C2 World Records booklet dated April 15, 1995. The official C2 distance at that time was 2500 meters. Here are two world records from that booklet.

2500m Men HWT 19-29 Matthias Siejkowsky Germany 7:10.7 (year set 1992)

2500m Men HWT 30-39 Pertii Karpinnen Finland 7:22.0 (year set 1991 )

The only other distances in the C2 rankings booklets back then were 30 minute and 60 minute results.

Just for general interest the best 30 minute result that I could find was 9,475 meters by 37 year old Randy Rhoton from Arizona, done in 1992. Must be something about Arizona that produces such results. How does this bloke compare to Dwayne's claimed 30 minute PB?

[johnlvs2run]

Here are two world records from that booklet.

2500m Men HWT 19-29 Matthias Siejkowsky Germany 7:10.7 (year set 1992)

2500m Men HWT 30-39 Pertii Karpinnen Finland 7:22.0 (year set 1991 )

Maybe Roland can get one of those.

[NavigationHazard]

I have a copy of the official C2 World Records booklet dated April 15, 1995. The official C2 distance at that time was 2500 meters. Here are two world records from that booklet.

2500m Men HWT 19-29 Matthias Siejkowsky Germany 7:10.7 (year set 1992)

2500m Men HWT 30-39 Pertii Karpinnen Finland 7:22.0 (year set 1991 )

The only other distances in the C2 rankings booklets back then were 30 minute and 60 minute results.

Just for general interest the best 30 minute result that I could find was 9,475 meters by 37 year old Randy Rhoton from Arizona, done in 1992. Must be something about Arizona that produces such results. How does this bloke compare to Dwayne's claimed 30 minute PB?

Does anyone know anything about this performance, or the rower? 1:35 pace for an unrestricted 30' is not impossble -- Pinsent reportedly once did 1:37ish pace at 20 spm, at altitude , which means Cracknall was probably 0.1 behind, and Triggs-Hodge of the current British 4 evidently is in the same league. But it seems mighty fast, especially for someone who was 37.

Let's just say that a Google search for "Randy Rhoton" + "Arizona" did not inspire a great deal of confidence in the result....

[PaulS]

I have a copy of the official C2 World Records booklet dated April 15, 1995. The official C2 distance at that time was 2500 meters. Here are two world records from that booklet.

2500m Men HWT 19-29 Matthias Siejkowsky Germany 7:10.7 (year set 1992)

2500m Men HWT 30-39 Pertii Karpinnen Finland 7:22.0 (year set 1991 )

Roland you packrat, or would that be Packaroo?

Okay, so at Age 37 we have a documented 1:28.4 Avg Pace (PM1/480W) for a 2500m piece. Translate that to a PM2 pace of 1:30.0(480W) due to PM differences and apply "Paul's Law" for the reduced distance and we'd come up with a 2k (PM2) estimated potential of 1:28.0 or 5:52.0, so very much in the ballpark of the time in question.

Yes, it really all worked out to exactly that.

For those interested, Siejkowski's estimated 2k (PM2) would have been 5:44.0 at that time so it tends to confirm that he was still on his way up at that point and produced a 5:39.7 2k at the 1997 WIRC, 5:42 in 2001, and finally his 5:37 in 2002, somewhere other than WIRC however. From the Article I read it seemed to be a dedicated shot at the WR rather than a competition. (The row2k article seems to be gone from the internet.)

[Jon Goodall]

The 2k WR of Matthias was done in late 2001 (Oct I think). At Crash-B 2002 there was an article on it in Rowing News. I still have the copy somewhere. It was an erg race. Poland nationals I think..... don't quote me on that, would need to dig out the article to be sure.
I do remember reading that he was annoyed to not break into the 5:36 region but said that sometimes you just have to be happy with your time.

I wouldn't say no to a 5:37.0
I could round up a few from the gym and get it done!! LOL

[calonius]

Re: Pertti Karppinen 5:52

This time was accomplished by Karppinen in 1988 in connection with the Finnish Championships where the official distance was 2000m already then. Karppinen was at that time 35 years of age. The ergometer was model B. All this has been confirmed by the Finnish distributor Finnrowing today.

Cheers,
Arno

[NavigationHazard]

Thanks, Arno.

NH

[PaulS]

Excellent Arno, Thank you very much for tracking down the information.

That would likely have been just Sub-6 on a PM2, so still marks a good standard for 35years old, MS is just an extremely unusual specimen of Ursa Maximus Ergonious.

Cheers.

[johnlvs2run]

Re: Pertti Karppinen 5:52

This time was accomplished by Karppinen in 1988 in connection with the Finnish Championships where the official distance was 2000m already then. Karppinen was at that time 35 years of age. The ergometer was model B. All this has been confirmed by the Finnish distributor Finnrowing today.

Cheers,
Arno

Thanks, Arno.

The 5:58.1 by Gary Wise could be the real WR then.

[Andreas]

Thanx Arno........ now the only real other issue remains DA's world record times for all other distances that remain in the rankings

When did Gary do that time? Was it done at a C2 event?
Maybe Gary can advice us

[FB1]

When did Gary do that time? Was it done at a C2 event?
Maybe Gary can advice us

My time was done as a witnessed time trial in preperation for the World Surfboat titles in 2002 in a public gym. It was witnessed by Ron Banks, well credentialed running coach/fitness trainer/massage therapist.
It was not in a race so therefore does not meet C2's standards for a WR.

[Andreas]

When did Gary do that time? Was it done at a C2 event?
Maybe Gary can advice us

My time was done as a witnessed time trial in preperation for the World Surfboat titles in 2002 in a public gym. It was witnessed by Ron Banks, well credentialed running coach/fitness trainer/massage therapist.
It was not in a race so therefore does not meet C2's standards for a WR.

Thanx Gary for the prompt reply. That time sure deserves huge recognition. To bad it doesn't meet the C2 standards....
Maybe a cameback?? . you are only 4 years older now

[FB1]

May a cameback?? Laughing . you only 4 years older now

I'm still training and rowing on water and as well as training others.
Hopefully i'll be rowing and racing on water for a few more years.
Over the last couple of years my top gear seems to have suffered!
Are you planning on racing in the C2 Worlds in Boston next year?

Cheers
GW

[PaulS]

May a cameback?? Laughing . you only 4 years older now

I'm still training and rowing on water and as well as training others.
Hopefully i'll be rowing and racing on water for a few more years.
Over the last couple of years my top gear seems to have suffered!
Are you planning on racing in the C2 Worlds in Boston next year?

Cheers
GW

Come on now Gary, with the record sufficiently "softened" it should fit right in with the FB Rules.

I think the number of 40+ sub-6 is even less than all of the sub 5:40's, so it's some of the rarest air around. Anyway, it certainly met the standard at the time of accomplishment, so congratulations on a fine performance, again.

FB2

[Rockin Roland]

So Gary Wise unofficially holds the 40-49 world record and guys like Andreas have eyes on the record. However, there is a greater threat to this record coming from someone down under. No it's not me(I wish). One of the World's greatest sweep oar rowers of all time, James Tomkins, is now 40 and is hoping to add to his gold medal tally in Beijing. When he cranks up his training for Beijing the record is likely to fall to him. And he is probably unaware that it is there for the taking.