Heart rate monitor confusion !!!

[Tsnor]

I learned from this thread (thanks @Tsnor) that you can have Concept2 log automatically update Garmin Connect. I had not noticed this feature previously.

This is precisely what I want, notwithstandig @Tsnor's negative recommendation. I do not wear my Forerunner unless I'm going out, as I have no interest in continuous monitoring. What I want is to have, with minimal effort, all my workouts in one place, and that's what I get.

Hi, Glad this looks like a good option for you.

Once you get comfortable with the best data paths and data repository I'd love to hear what you do and why your approach works best for you.

[bigsimon123]

Sorry for my ignorance, but how do you upload the erg workout to Garmin Connect please ?

[JaapvanE]

There are two ways:

1. You can connect the C2 logbook to Garmin connect. This uploads any future rowing session to your Garmin account
2. You can go to a specific workout in the C2 logbook and download the fit file. You can upload that fit file into Garmin Connect.

[gvcormac]

If you go to your profile on Concept2 log, it'll give you a list of other logs you might like to upload to.

Once you set this up, it will automatically forward anything you send to C2 (e.g. using ErgData) to Garmin (or any of the other logs it supports).

[Sakly]

You can go to a specific workout in the C2 logbook and download the fit file. You can upload that fit file into Garmin Connect.

How is this done?
I couldn't find any option in Garmin connect to import any files.

[JaapvanE]

How is this done?
I couldn't find any option in Garmin connect to import any files.

It is too subtle fir most....

When you open Garmin connect, there is a small cloud thingy in the upper right corner, which opens https://connect.garmin.com/modern/import-data

[Sakly]

How is this done?
I couldn't find any option in Garmin connect to import any files.

It is too subtle fir most....

When you open Garmin connect, there is a small cloud thingy in the upper right corner, which opens https://connect.garmin.com/modern/import-data

There is no such thing in my app, but logging in using their Internet page, I can see it.
Only asked as I rarely faced the problem the workouts weren't transferred.
Thanks

[bigsimon123]

Thanks a lot

[Ombrax]

I know I'm getting old(er), but just the same, it seems that life is getting unnecessarily complicated...

I'm an engineer and get paid to do a lot of number-crunching, but have never felt the need to get too fancy with my exercise data - it doesn't take a lot of information for me to figure out if I'm going in the right direction for my workouts.

Good luck with your connectivity challenges.

[bigsimon123]

Workouts that are uploaded to the Concept2 Online Logbook can be automatically synced to other fitness Applications like Strava, Training Peaks, Fitbit and Garmin Connect.

To allow these permissions you'll need to do it from a browser window. In order to connect your Logbook to these sites, go to your profile page in the logbook and click on Edit Profile. Then, select Applications and follow the instructions for the platform you wish to use. From that point on, any workout which is added to the Logbook will then go straight through to Strava or Fitbit. Only workouts with stroke data (such as those done using ErgData) can be uploaded to Training Peaks and Garmin.

It works, it actually works !!!!! At last I've finally overcome my technophobe slow brain.

[HornetMaX]

many to listen.
On your C2 log: your choice whether you have C2 push a log entry to Garmin for each piece you row. I did this for a while then turned the c2 --> Garmin push off and only get the watch data on garmin connect. Garmin will use your watch data for exercise tracking. It will *NOT* use manual entries or any data pushed from C2 as part of your exercise load.

I have a polar H9 and a Garmin watch (Instinct 2x Solar) and I only use the push from c2 logbook to Garmin Connect (I don't use the watch to record my sessions), but I do see the pushed data from c2 logbook influencing most of the Garmin metrics (e.g Training Load).

[Tsnor]

..but I do see the pushed data from c2 logbook influencing most of the Garmin metrics (e.g Training Load).

Excellent. I could not see any difference in training status from either manually entered activities or from C2 pushed activities.

When you look at "training status" "acute load" do you see the workload showing up ? I did not. Nor did I see a shift in recovery time.

For comparison, a hard rowing intervals session can generate more than 24 hours of recovery time now that I can record it through my watch using ant+ fe-c. When I used the push from C2 log to Garmin there was zero recovery time impact.

[HornetMaX]

..but I do see the pushed data from c2 logbook influencing most of the Garmin metrics (e.g Training Load).

Excellent. I could not see any difference in training status from either manually entered activities or from C2 pushed activities.

When you look at "training status" "acute load" do you see the workload showing up ? I did not. Nor did I see a shift in recovery time.

For comparison, a hard rowing intervals session can generate more than 24 hours of recovery time now that I can record it through my watch using ant+ fe-c. When I used the push from C2 log to Garmin there was zero recovery time impact.

Yes, for both Training Status and Acute Load.
I think Garmin changed that (the fact that third-party data can be used for various metrics) a few months after I've bought my I2X (Nov 2023).

As far as I can see, the only thing that does not use the c2 pushed data is the Intensity Minutes: it keeps on using the HR recorder by the Garmin optical HR instead of using the HR sent by the c2 log. Because of that, it miscomputes that by a mile, at least for indoor rowing: today I did a 10min warmup (avg pace 2:15), a 4x1000m with 6min rest (avg pace 1:54) and a 10min avg cooldown (pace 2:29): the intensity minutes are respectively 0, 22 and 17: it doesn't make sense, it's simply due to the optical HR being totally off.

BTW, this is related to the #1 annoyance I have with that Garmin watch (guess it applies to other Garmin watches as well): you can connect it to an HRM, but the HRM data is used only if you record an activity on the watch. Ideally, once the HRM is "known" to the watch (paired, this has to be done only once) and once the HRM is ON, the watch should get the data from the HRM, even when not recording an activity. Or at least you should be allowed to manually switch from the optical HR sensor to the external HRM (again, even when not recording an activity).

[Tsnor]

Yes, for both Training Status and Acute Load.
I think Garmin changed that (the fact that third-party data can be used for various metrics) a few months after I've bought my I2X (Nov 2023).

Nice, TY.

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Ideally, once the HRM is "known" to the watch (paired, this has to be done only once) and once the HRM is ON, the watch should get the data from the HRM, even when not recording an activity. ...

On my watch (forerunner 265) if you display heart rate and the external sensor is active the watch will switch to the external sensor. It'll throw up a message saying it is using external sensor just like when you start a sport. I don't know if the watch keeps using the external sensor after the HR display times out, but I am 100% sure it uses the external monitor after you get the connect message and while you are still on the HR display page.

edit: checked the pubs for my 265, it says...

Wrist Heart Rate Monitor Settings
Hold UP, and select Health & Wellness > Wrist Heart Rate.

Status
Enables or disables the wrist heart rate monitor. The default value is Auto, which automatically uses the wrist heart rate monitor unless you pair an external heart rate monitor.

NOTE: Disabling the wrist heart rate monitor also disables the wrist-based pulse oximeter sensor. You can perform a manual reading from the pulse oximeter glance.
Source Switching
Allows the watch to select the best source of heart rate data when wearing your watch and an external heart rate monitor. For more information, go to www.garmin.com/dynamicsourceswitching/.

Your instinct 2x manual is similar, but different. It does seem the auto setting should work for you. https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp ... orm=MG0AV3

Wrist Heart Rate Monitor Settings
Hold MENU, and select Sensors & Accessories > Wrist Heart Rate.

Status
Enables or disables the wrist heart rate monitor. The default value is Auto, which automatically uses the wrist heart rate monitor unless you pair an external heart rate monitor.

NOTE: Disabling the wrist heart rate monitor also disables the wrist-based pulse oximeter sensor. You can perform a manual reading from the pulse oximeter glance.

[HornetMaX]

Your instinct 2x manual is similar, but different. It does seem the auto setting should work for you.

It was already on Auto (and the only alternative is having it set to "Off", which disables plenty of stuff).

On my watch (forerunner 265) if you display heart rate and the external sensor is active the watch will switch to the external sensor. It'll throw up a message saying it is using external sensor just like when you start a sport. I don't know if the watch keeps using the external sensor after the HR display times out, but I am 100% sure it uses the external monitor after you get the connect message and while you are still on the HR display page.

That's interesting.
My main watch face has the HR always displayed, but I just confirmed that this does not trigger any switch to the external HR.

1. With my H9 off, watch off my wrist:
   • on the main watch face the HR is ''--" (expected)
   • going into the Heart Rate menu/screen I see "--" too (expected)
2. With my H9 on, watch off my wrist:
   • on the main watch face the HR is ''--"
   • going into the Heart Rate menu/screen I see the HR properly, so it has indeed switched to the H9 (but I didn't get any message about that). I checked the reading is aligned to what the Polar app sees at the same time (app connected to the H9 via BT, the Garmin via ANT) and that's OK.
   • but if I go back to my main watch face or if the HR screen times out, the HR there shows "--" again, so it's back to the internal HRM.