POLL - Should Challenge/Honor Board leaders verify mileage?

[Carl Watts]

thanks for all the responses.
personally I will be lobbying Concept for a separate verified board for the Fall Team Challenge.
I don't understand why if you claim 2MM in a month or 1MM in a week that u wouldn't want to proof it.
Interesting that in the CTC everyone seems to go out of their way to honor every row of significance

You think exactly the same way that I do but sadly we appear to be in the vast minority as the general indoor rower thinks being able to easily cheat you way through life is perfectly acceptable these days.

From what I see on RowPro is the serious rowers who are interested in verifying their results just stay away from the honor board and challenges. I for one would stop exporting all my results to it as soon as RowPro came up with its own online honors board. Really the Concept 2 board is a total waste of time and I only use it as an Odometer to save a permanent record of my total lifetime meters and to give me a daily average.

The Fall team Challenge is a good one to pick, its the only one I have bothered to do about three times now.

[phlukke]

thanks Carl.
will let u know how I get on with Concept.

[hjs]

thanks for all the responses.
personally I will be lobbying Concept for a separate verified board for the Fall Team Challenge.
I don't understand why if you claim 2MM in a month or 1MM in a week that u wouldn't want to proof it.
Interesting that in the CTC everyone seems to go out of their way to honor every row of significance

You think exactly the same way that I do but sadly we appear to be in the vast minority as the general indoor rower thinks being able to easily cheat you way through life is perfectly acceptable these days.

From what I see on RowPro is the serious rowers who are interested in verifying their results just stay away from the honor board and challenges. I for one would stop exporting all my results to it as soon as RowPro came up with its own online honors board. Really the Concept 2 board is a total waste of time and I only use it as an Odometer to save a permanent record of my total lifetime meters and to give me a daily average.

The Fall team Challenge is a good one to pick, its the only one I have bothered to do about three times now.

Serious rowers don,t care about meters, they show there abilities in races, so do most people who compete in the Ctc, so no need to have any doubts.

[phlukke]

so....who sets the million meter world records?

[hjs]

so....who sets the million meter world records?

No one, Those records do not exist, above the fm the records are pretty extreem and not really making much sense and for the other distances. Only the 2k is a real worldrecord, everything else is less important. Rowing is about 2k... The rest is training or exercise, not much more.

Do we care about how manny meters we walk per year? Or cycle, swim? I never meet people who care for that.

[Butch91]

I checked with c2 after the recent world erg challenge as a few of the high meters seemed absurd - I got an email back and read a story about a lady who was at the top - she spent a lot of time rowing and I felt bad for questioning it

[phlukke]

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this is from WEC14 after one week. given the final placings its only logical to question the outcome.

[plummy]

so....who sets the million meter world records?

No one, Those records do not exist, above the fm the records are pretty extreem and not really making much sense and for the other distances. Only the 2k is a real worldrecord, everything else is less important. Rowing is about 2k... The rest is training or exercise, not much more.

Do we care about how manny meters we walk per year? Or cycle, swim? I never meet people who care for that.

Please clarify the "who sets the million metre world records?" - who, as in which people have done it or who decides what the recognised ultra distance should be?

And the response "Those records don't exist..blah blah only the 2k is real" Who are you to say which records are, or are not important? That's like saying the 100m sprint in athletics is the be all and end all and every other distance (of which there are many) and all the records that go with them are a waste of training and history books. It would be a short Olympics if it was just one event. To dismiss endurance and especially ultra-endurance events is insulting to those that achieve greatness in that arena.

[Bob S.]

And the response "Those records don't exist..blah blah only the 2k is real" Who are you to say which records are, or are not important? That's like saying the 100m sprint in athletics is the be all and end all and every other distance (of which there are many) and all the records that go with them are a waste of training and history books. It would be a short Olympics if it was just one event. To dismiss endurance and especially ultra-endurance events is insulting to those that achieve greatness in that arena.

It is not that the other distances are not important. It is the fact that only the 2k is done at a lot of open events. The others are done only at a few lightly attended venues. As far as the Olympics are concerned, there is only one on the water rowing distance and that is the 2k. The only reason that there are several Olympic rowing events is that there are several different boatings, ranging from singles to eights, plus categories for male and female, as well as lightweight and heavyweight.

I have been fortunate enough to have achieved several (ancient) age category WRs at the longer distances on the C2 indoor rower. I fail to see that there is anything great about this. It was mostly a matter of luck in staying healthy long enough.

Bob S.

[hjs]

so....who sets the million meter world records?

No one, Those records do not exist, above the fm the records are pretty extreem and not really making much sense and for the other distances. Only the 2k is a real worldrecord, everything else is less important. Rowing is about 2k... The rest is training or exercise, not much more.

Do we care about how manny meters we walk per year? Or cycle, swim? I never meet people who care for that.

Please clarify the "who sets the million metre world records?" - who, as in which people have done it or who decides what the recognised ultra distance should be?

And the response "Those records don't exist..blah blah only the 2k is real" Who are you to say which records are, or are not important? That's like saying the 100m sprint in athletics is the be all and end all and every other distance (of which there are many) and all the records that go with them are a waste of training and history books. It would be a short Olympics if it was just one event. To dismiss endurance and especially ultra-endurance events is insulting to those that achieve greatness in that arena.

The only worldrecord is the 2k, the rest is world bests.

On top of that, age records are ofcourse no real records, sports is about competing against the rest. Not avoiding the best.
Lightweight records are also below the open records.

The longer distances are never done by the very best athletes but by people who can,t make in the main events.

If It was up to guys like you everybody would be a champion. Boehoo.
Its a bit like the winter olympics, more and more silly sports, the simpeler and more basic you keep it, the more grandeur a record has and keeps. Nowedays everybody is a winner, while in fact we get weaker and softer in most sports.
Its about hard work and talent. Real talent, and that is simply very rare.

I can have repect for people setting records, but to compare to worldrecords no, that is ludricus. There is only one real world record, Rob Waddel for the men and that French lady for the woman.

Ps over we don,t even have a national record for the 2k, only a best time for the nat championships. Other distances don,t even have that.

[phlukke]

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I'M NOT GOING MAD AFTER ALL . phew !!!

[jamesg]

Who are you to say which records are, or are not important?

An oarsman, like many others here. Times afloat are affected by wind and tide and some say even the temperature of the water, not forgetting the quality of the boat itself, so meaningless. Not all rivers are dead straight either and in any case it wont be easy to find even a 10k stretch of dead water with no wind.

The erg we can hope is accurate, but how can we know there's no difference between machines? The "distances" recorded are fictitious in any case.

[Bob S.]

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I'M NOT GOING MAD AFTER ALL . phew !!!

Sure, there are plenty of long distance team events, but what does that have to do with individual records? That's what this thread you started is all about, isn't it?

Bob S.

[phlukke]

Hjs said they didn't exist .

[hjs]

Hjs said they didn't exist .

They don't the only record is the 2k.

A challenge honour board is fine, but has nothing to do with records. For those there lots of rules you have recon with. Stuff like a challenge is a personal thing, its not a competition.