Ranking 2K 40-49 Hwts

[johnlvs2run]

the fact remains that without any proof, there's no reason for anyone to condemn Dwayne, specifically, or anyone else generally.

Would you expect a person on trial in a Court of Law to be convicted on the basis of testimony that amounts to "I know he did it, but I can't tell you what I know"? I would hope not; but that's tantamount to the same thing.

So you accept that Chad's time is the new World Record for 40+ heavyweights then.

I am glad to see this matter is now settled.

[gcanyon]

I know what you mean gcanyon, and I accept what you're saying. However, Dwayne's "failure" to row 5:45 at a public event is simply not proof that he can't. It's not proof that he's lying. It simply isn't. At best it demonstrates only that he hasn't on those occasions that have been public competition. Sure, people can say "we don't believe you can do it", and yes, without any verifiable public display it's reasonable to question it and may lend weight to suspicion, but it's not proof of cheating.

Agreed, and I'm not saying he did. I _am_ saying that I am more skeptical of Dwayne's time than I am of the current number 2, whose time apparently comes from a race. But I'm not so invested in it that I really care one way or the other, seeing as how I am currently number 857.

My personal goal is to get into the top half of the rankings by my 43rd birthday, August 1st. That goal might be made somewhat more difficult if there are a large number of people submitting false times, but I doubt that it's that common, and I'm not going to worry about it. Wish me luck -- that means going from roughly 7:44 down to 7:30.

[Taffy Adams]

good luck

[Daren]

My personal goal is to get into the top half of the rankings by my 43rd birthday, August 1st. That goal might be made somewhat more difficult if there are a large number of people submitting false times, but I doubt that it's that common, and I'm not going to worry about it. Wish me luck -- that means going from roughly 7:44 down to 7:30.

Good luck - although I'm sure you don't need luck. All you need is focus and the will to put the effort in. OK, and to avoid injuries, so maybe that's a case of luck after all. =)

[johnlvs2run]

I think it is time to move this issue on another step now.

Sorry to have pulled the wool over some of your eyes, but that 5.44.9 was indeed a manipulated time. I will remove it from the on line ranking system today.

At this moment in time, my best 2000m time is that of 5.58.1. If I was to keep that ranked IND_V time of 5.44.9 on the rankings do you think that I would ever be able to perform at a public race in the future with the self knowledge that I will never be able to get close to that time?
If I kept that 5.44.9 listed what is stopping me posting more of the fastest times for other distances and logging them to. I would never have to prove my ability as the only way to do that would be to row in a public event, something that I could chose never to do, sound familiar?
I will however be rowing at BiRC this year and aiming for sub 5.55.0 you will get to see what I can do in a public event.
We will never see Dwayne rowing at a public again as he is know caught in his own web of disseat.

The PM’s I sent to people with regards to my training are not made up, that is my training and the Rugby Test row was also a true reflection of my ability, an ability that I will display at BiRC along with other members of the rowing community that have nothing to hide.

My reason for proving that the system can be manipulated is for the right reasons, some people may feel that they have been made to look foolish by congratulating me on the row; they have played a big part in proving that people can be taken in. I provided more evidence than Dwayne ever has for one of his IND_V rows yet lots of people have been taken in with what he has been doing over the many years he has been erging.
Looking from the outside in, I would have found it hard not to believe the 5.44.9 as the proof was there fore all to see.

It is not important on how the 5.44.9 was achieved, it is important to know that it can be done easily and with full data to back it up.

I know the ranking system is an honour system, but it is open to abuse. Maybe having times within a certain percentage of current world records can only be logged in the top 5 of the rankings.
Something needs to be done. We need to work along side of C2 to progress this whole issue.

I am trying to help move this sport forward by getting rid of the dead wood that makes a mockery of the system, the system that can be played as I have just proved.

People say I have some sort of personal vendetta against Dwayne, this is not the case, Dwayne is the highest profile player of the system, and he is not the only one, that I do know.
Until Dwayne races in public or withdraws his false ranking times I will continue to prove that he is a fake. It is a shame that Dwayne can not to the honourable thing and withdraw his times from the C2 rankings and get himself a RACE ranking like I will at BiRC, the only sure fire way not to be questioned.

No doubt some people will now take the moral high ground with me, say what you want to say, but let’s keep it constructive.

Chad,

Your 5:44.9 must be a real time because you provided the proof.

Therefore, would you please put it back in the rankings and stop all this silly stuff about faking it. As we all know, from the FACTS that have been presented here on the forum, your time could not have been faked.

Therefore would you please stop all of this nonsense trying to say you didn't really row it like you did, and put it back in the rankings in the #1 spot where it was before and should be again now.

Thank you and keep up your great rowing!

[Chad Williams]

I will personally put up $100.00 to the winner of a grudge match 2K between Dwayne and Chad. Any one else want to throw in some money? This would be awesome to watch! The rule is that they have to both row at the same sanctioned event. Perhaps the BIRC. My money is on Chad.

Rich

Dwayne will never face me in a race that I do know. Look at his record at public events, it speaks for itself.
I have never rowed in a public event to date but am very confident that I could row faster than 7.00.8.

Going by Dwayne’s current form as posted on the virtual challenges and that he can also row a sub 5.50 with no speed training or taper and range between r24 – r50 he should be good for a sub 5.45 with proper preparation. He has over 7 months to train and prepare for BiRC.

I have even offered to pay his entry fee to BiRC, all he has to do is show up. If he does not want to enter the Open I will switch to the 40-44 Hwt category and race him there. Surely someone of Dwayne’s ability will of course want to row in the Open as he would be in for a medal rowing a time of around sub 5.45

Come on Dwayne, I can only row a 5.58, you are 12 seconds quicker than me, come over to BiRC and kick my butt, put me in my place, make me look silly.

He won’t though will he? Because he knows I will stick more than 30 seconds into him.

Or if he likes, how about Dwayne chooses the public event and I will come to him.

[hjs]

Name: Dwayne Adams
C2 UK Forum Name: dadams
C2 US Forum Name: dadams
Date of Birth: 05 Sep 64
Height: 6' 3"
Weight: 215lbs

From D bio. (looks good bye the way) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/niall.w/Ta ... _Adams.htm

But one question: why does he call himself bigD on the Nonathlon. http://www.nonathlon.com/

6.3 and 215 lbs is av. for a natural heavyweight erger.

[Chad Williams]

Name: Chad Williams
C2 US Forum Name: Chad Williams
Date of Birth: 03 May 63
Height: 6' 7"
Weight: 115Kg
2K: 5.58.1

[Ben Rea]

wow, 6'7" ?????? holy crap chad, ur a monster! dwyane is a funny lookin' guy! haha. but you both have some of the perfect characteristics for a rowing, its amazing.

[Porkchop]

The thing is, we only have your word for that. The point is that you can bluster all you like, but there is still no proof forthcoming

I am not going to do 100's of posts on this, read my post on why the proof can not be made public.

Dwayne needs to clear his name by showing what he claimes he can do, this is the way it works in sport.

Well, Chad, much as it annoys you, I am going to put my lawyer hat on here and lay out some real world information for you.

You have now made an unequivocal statement that Dwayne lied and cheated. It may or may not be true, but your statement impugns Dwaynes character publicly. If it is false, it is defamatory; since it is a written defamatory statement, it is libelous. You have published the statement on the internet, which is available worldwide.

Should Dwayne choose to do so, he could file a lawsuit seeking damages for injury to his reputation in any venue in which the statement has been published, in other words, pretty much anywhere in the world -- like, say, Arizona. Most countries and U.S. states have some version of what is called a "long-arm statute," which allows the assertion of personal jurisdiction over people who do something somewhere else that affects someone or something in the jurisdiction where the lawsuit has been filed. Publication of defamatory statements in Arizona most likely falls within the Arizona long-arm statute. In other words, there is probably a basis for an Arizona court to assert personal jurisdiction over you.

If Dwayne should sue you in Arizona, you would have two choices: Show up and defend, in which case the burden would be on you to prove what you have said (and if your "witnesses" won't come forward, you would lose); or stay away and allow Dwayne to take a default judgment (i.e. you would be declared to have lost because you failed to appear) and prove up his damages. You may think that being in another country might protect you from this, but there are mechanisms to collect judgments internationally.

All this talk about where the burden of proof is in sport is really moot now, if Dwayne chooses to make it so. The burden of proof in court would be on you, and you may well end up there.

And just to make it clear, I don't practice law in Arizona and I have no desire to represent Dwayne. I'd really enjoy watching the show if this ever went to trial, though.

Chad, you just don't know when to stop and shut up. Your naivete and big mouth have put you at significant risk.

[Wiecher]

Hello Chad,

Great job you did, but like I already knew C2 did not kick out the results of Dwayne.........
You can be sure I will chase you at the BIRC next year......chase you with about at least 30 seconds behind...ha, ha. Have a nice summer with a lot of good training and let everything like it is, because nothing will change.
It is after all rowing......very slow devolpment...
See you next year at the BIRC

Ciao
Wiecher

[dadams]

Porkchop has brought up a very good point. I would say that Chad should supply his 'proof' here...now, or I may just take this a step further.

The ball is in your court (no pun intended) now Chad. It's time to put up.

Dwayne

[hjs]

Porkchop has brought up a very good point. I would say that Chad should supply his 'proof' here...now, or I may just take this a step further.

The ball is in your court (no pun intended) now Chad. It's time to put up.

Dwayne

Hold on to this straw Another finger pointing in the same direction.
Why not just row some sub 6 min piece?.
On no, I forgot you can,t. Sorry for asking.

[TPMcT]

In reference to Porkchop's legal analysis, consider the following recent British judgment concerning libel in an Internet chatroom: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 02,00.html.

Isn't Chad located in the UK?

[hjs]

In reference to Porkchop's legal analysis, consider the following recent British judgment concerning libel in an Internet chatroom: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 02,00.html.

Isn't Chad located in the UK?

Good thinking!!

This was what the woman was claiming:

Ms Williams, of Tomlinson Close, Oldham, Lancashire, used a pseudonym to post claims that the 53-year-old chartered surveyor was a "nonce", a sexual offender, a racist bigot and a Nazi.

Addressing him as "Lardarse" or "Lardbrain", she also alleged that he had sexually harassed a female co-worker, had been charged with soliciting boys and cottaging and that he was a sexual deviant of the most perverted kind.