Drag factor racing

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nysaag
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Drag factor racing

Post by nysaag » March 5th, 2019, 11:48 am

What is your DF for training and competition?

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by Cyclist2 » March 5th, 2019, 12:25 pm

For competition; 128.

For training; very low DF for timing and skill (high SR), very high DF for strength (low SR).

Your mileage may, and should, vary.
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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by KeithT » March 5th, 2019, 12:56 pm

nysaag wrote:
March 5th, 2019, 11:48 am
What is your DF for training and competition?
I do all my training at a 130 DF regardless of distance. I also use that DF for 2K races or any tests 2K or longer. I only change (go to 150) for shorter races/tests like the 500m and 1K. Not sure this is the best approach but it seems to work good for me.
56 yo, 6'3" 205# PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by Dangerscouse » March 5th, 2019, 4:17 pm

Same as Keith. 130 for everything.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by JMac » March 6th, 2019, 4:58 am

When I first got my erg, I would use high drag for sprint training. Anything from 160-220 for 1K and below. I think this contributed to my injury (torn biceps tendon). Since then, I've used 120-130 for everything, although I haven't really done any sprint training since my injury.
37 | 6'6" | 130kg

100m: 13.6 | 500m: 1:17.8 | 2k: 6:29 | 5k: 18:07 | 10k: 37:45

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by gouldilocks » March 6th, 2019, 9:18 am

I am at the other end of the scale - 200-220 for TT/racing , 250 for 10k+ training and 300-320 for 10k and below training.

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100m - 15.0, 2k - 6:46.7, 5k - 17:37.2
HM - 1:19:21.5, FM - 2:47:40
200km - 18:28:30 24hr - 251621m

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by MPx » March 6th, 2019, 9:54 am

Something wrong there Paul - DF only goes up to about 220 even on a new clean machine.

I use 145 most of the time. Exceptions being ultra sprints - 220 for 100m and 1min and I may experiment a bit on 500m if I have time...otherwise 145.
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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by gouldilocks » March 6th, 2019, 10:14 am

MPx wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 9:54 am
Something wrong there Paul - DF only goes up to about 220 even on a new clean machine.

I use 145 most of the time. Exceptions being ultra sprints - 220 for 100m and 1min and I may experiment a bit on 500m if I have time...otherwise 145.
Mike, If you take off the wire mesh strip it lets more air in - the highest I have recorded on a cold morning is 380 DF.
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100m - 15.0, 2k - 6:46.7, 5k - 17:37.2
HM - 1:19:21.5, FM - 2:47:40
200km - 18:28:30 24hr - 251621m

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by Dangerscouse » March 6th, 2019, 11:24 am

My 'almost new' erg that i got from Concept 2 had a drag of 247 when I got it in December last year, and that wasn't through messing around with it.

Admittedly this is still some way off 320df
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by MPx » March 6th, 2019, 7:30 pm

After 22 years I'm still learning...227 is the most I've seen prior to your posts.... :o
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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by Gammmmo » March 7th, 2019, 4:41 am

gouldilocks wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 9:18 am
I am at the other end of the scale - 200-220 for TT/racing , 250 for 10k+ training and 300-320 for 10k and below training.

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by gouldilocks » March 7th, 2019, 5:18 am

MPx wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 7:30 pm
After 22 years I'm still learning...227 is the most I've seen prior to your posts.... :o
Mike, that's about right on a clean machine with the wire mesh grille in place.
If you have your own machine try a little experiment - set the damper on level 6 and measure the DF, then remove the wire mesh grille, leave the damper on level 6 and re-measure the DF - you will see a large increase, something like from 140-150 to 200-220ish.
If you are properly warmed up and don't have lower back issues then put the damper up to 9 or 10(with the grille still off) and row a few strokes - it will be significantly heavier than the 220 max you have previously experienced.

Please note that I am not recommending that this is the DF you should use - I use the machine as an all-round fitness tool to increase my all-round strength, I am not competing to try and get the lowest 2k time possible :) :)

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55, 174.5cm, currently 90 kg
100m - 15.0, 2k - 6:46.7, 5k - 17:37.2
HM - 1:19:21.5, FM - 2:47:40
200km - 18:28:30 24hr - 251621m

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by ukaserex » March 7th, 2019, 9:01 am

Like most, when I first began to row, I had the damper set at 10. It never bothered my back, or anything else.
After reading, watching a number of YouTube videos and learning what I could, I moved the damper down, and began to settle in on a DF of 110. I've slowly pushed it upwards to 130, thinking this is where "men" should have their DF. Then, I had a twinge in my lower back, and lowered the DF to 120, and that's pretty much where I keep it now. If I have a shorter row - 1:00 or less, I'll move it to 130. Otherwise, it stays at 120, unless I do a 10k or more, and I'll slide it to 117.
100M - 16.1 1 Min - 370 500M - 1:25.1 1k - 3:10.2 4:00 - 1216 2k 6:37.0 5k 17:58.8 6k - 21:54.1 30 Min. - 8130 10k - 37:49.7 60:00 - 15604
1/2 Marathon 1:28:44.3 Marathon 2:59:36

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by OhBeWan » March 9th, 2019, 4:27 pm

DF of 125 for just about everything. I am doing the Online Virtual 1,000. Have tried DF of 145. Experimenting. SPM of about 32.

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Re: Drag factor racing

Post by wjschmidt2 » March 9th, 2019, 10:15 pm

df 114 10k and above
df 118 5k to 30'
df 123 2k
df 125 and higher as you drop from 1k down to 100m

Everyone uses a different drag factor going by most comfortable feel for that event. I get worn out real fast if I use a df of 130 for anything 2k and over. However, 110 to 115 feels great at longer distances. Other people thrive at 135 and higher.

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