I say yes to 1000m racing. On water rowing I think the masters are rowing 1000m too, or?
Now we race always 2000m so 1000m make a lot of fun....the first 700m at least.
2000 meter race vs. 1000 meter race
As of January 19, 2008 at 13:30 hours (2130 GMT), the votes are as follows:
Yes-8
No-22
Niether-2
I thought about something that is posted here about the long distance traveled to an event only to race half as much. But if we are racing track events and we were competing in the 100 meter dash, we would only be running between 10 and 12 seconds.
If I was better at 2k, I probably would not have posted this theme about racing 1k. I stand a better chance at being awesome and being closer to the top rowers, relatively speaking, at 1k than I do with 2k. Time is more of an issue for me than it has been in the past. With that in mind, I am thinking there are others like me who train hard, want to race, but just don't have the time to do it right for a 2k.
Yes-8
No-22
Niether-2
I thought about something that is posted here about the long distance traveled to an event only to race half as much. But if we are racing track events and we were competing in the 100 meter dash, we would only be running between 10 and 12 seconds.
If I was better at 2k, I probably would not have posted this theme about racing 1k. I stand a better chance at being awesome and being closer to the top rowers, relatively speaking, at 1k than I do with 2k. Time is more of an issue for me than it has been in the past. With that in mind, I am thinking there are others like me who train hard, want to race, but just don't have the time to do it right for a 2k.
At our "Monster Erg", which is a part of the Canadian Indoor Rowing Champs, the race is 2km for all ages. But since the Masters are used to rowing 1km otw, they've added a 1km Quad for masters. We get a team of four with each of our ergs hooked up to the computer. The time is based on the avg of the 4 ergs. So if you're the faster rower you'll end up doing more than 1000m and you get off easy if you're the slowest.
Last year I did the 2000, had 45 min. rest and then did the 1000. I found it way easier than I thought it would be. I was so nicely warmed up! I think I would do well at 5km, which I guess is why I like head races.
Last year I did the 2000, had 45 min. rest and then did the 1000. I found it way easier than I thought it would be. I was so nicely warmed up! I think I would do well at 5km, which I guess is why I like head races.
I'm 40-years-old, and love the 2k (well, that's a strange way to put it).
What I brag about to everyone who will listen is that rowing probably requires the ultimate combination of strength and endurance. Every other sport I can think of only has one or the other. Think about football linemen - unbelieveable strength required for 10 seconds at a time for 30 plays spread out over 3 hours. Or marathons - not a lot of power generally required. Some sports may approximate rowing (basketball? tennis? swimming?)
What other sport requires you to do what is essentially a power clean Olympic lift at 80-90% of your lifting ability every 2 seconds for 6-7 minutes!!!
Cutting this in half moves the effort so much more towards strength and away from endurance, that I think it dimishes the sport.
What I brag about to everyone who will listen is that rowing probably requires the ultimate combination of strength and endurance. Every other sport I can think of only has one or the other. Think about football linemen - unbelieveable strength required for 10 seconds at a time for 30 plays spread out over 3 hours. Or marathons - not a lot of power generally required. Some sports may approximate rowing (basketball? tennis? swimming?)
What other sport requires you to do what is essentially a power clean Olympic lift at 80-90% of your lifting ability every 2 seconds for 6-7 minutes!!!
Cutting this in half moves the effort so much more towards strength and away from endurance, that I think it dimishes the sport.
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"Cutting this in half moves the effort so much more towards strength and away from endurance, that I think it dimishes the sport."
With your thoughts that the 2k is a happy 'medium' with strength and endurance, but that the 1k diminishes the sport as it requires more strength, it appears by your signature that you support the longer pieces which rely more on endurance? In your mind does that not diminish the sport too? Why only distances longer than 2k I wonder?
I think there's a place for all distances in competition and it's good to give competitors the choice.
With your thoughts that the 2k is a happy 'medium' with strength and endurance, but that the 1k diminishes the sport as it requires more strength, it appears by your signature that you support the longer pieces which rely more on endurance? In your mind does that not diminish the sport too? Why only distances longer than 2k I wonder?
I think there's a place for all distances in competition and it's good to give competitors the choice.
The times in my signature happen to be the ones I've done, with no political comment about the merits of working on trying to improve a 500m time vs. a 10k time (although, to be honest, many of my rows have been of the endurance variety because I had a ton of weight to lose (lost 75 lbs over 7 months last winter and have kept it off).
I guess for me, going towards short races approximates the whole "how much can you bench?" attitude that I dislike. I'm not sure that a single bench press (or low pull) tells you much about the FITNESS of an individual, which to me matters more than their instantaneous strength.
Just one man's opinion.
Tom
I guess for me, going towards short races approximates the whole "how much can you bench?" attitude that I dislike. I'm not sure that a single bench press (or low pull) tells you much about the FITNESS of an individual, which to me matters more than their instantaneous strength.
Just one man's opinion.
Tom
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Well done with your weight loss, a marvellous achievement.
If you lived in a country that at every event has the shorter distances as well as the 2k so it's the norm to do them, I'm sure you'd be drawn into them too. Exciting to watch, very competitive, a lot of fun and they are distances that more folk enjoy in the masters as they aren't as tough on the body for the older Master competitors. We don't have the same OTW folk entering these competitions, they are mainly gym folk or ex runners, ex rugby players etc who perhaps find the erging easier on their bodies and something to keep them fit after retiring from their sport. Yes, there are weight lifters among them and it's quite normal for them to be stronger at the shorter distances (100m and 300m), just as it is an ex marathon runner probably prefers doing the longer distances on the erg. The 2k is obviously the 'ultimate' but it's not for everyone. Looking at the Nonathlon scores the 2k for about 99% of the people is their worst score. I'm sure the majority of those would thoroughly enjoy a 1k race. Look at the variety of distances one does in practice sessions - the 2k is probably the least practiced distance when you think about it, reasons for that of course.
I wouldn't vote that I prefer the 1k as my aim is to do the best I can in the 2k, but it certainly makes a great competitive race (with no thought of 'bench' in my mind).
Each to their own.....
If you lived in a country that at every event has the shorter distances as well as the 2k so it's the norm to do them, I'm sure you'd be drawn into them too. Exciting to watch, very competitive, a lot of fun and they are distances that more folk enjoy in the masters as they aren't as tough on the body for the older Master competitors. We don't have the same OTW folk entering these competitions, they are mainly gym folk or ex runners, ex rugby players etc who perhaps find the erging easier on their bodies and something to keep them fit after retiring from their sport. Yes, there are weight lifters among them and it's quite normal for them to be stronger at the shorter distances (100m and 300m), just as it is an ex marathon runner probably prefers doing the longer distances on the erg. The 2k is obviously the 'ultimate' but it's not for everyone. Looking at the Nonathlon scores the 2k for about 99% of the people is their worst score. I'm sure the majority of those would thoroughly enjoy a 1k race. Look at the variety of distances one does in practice sessions - the 2k is probably the least practiced distance when you think about it, reasons for that of course.
I wouldn't vote that I prefer the 1k as my aim is to do the best I can in the 2k, but it certainly makes a great competitive race (with no thought of 'bench' in my mind).
Each to their own.....
As of January 25, 2008 at 15:30 hours (2330 GMT), the votes are as follows:
Yes-8
No-26
Niether-3
I am hoping about 100 people would want to have a vote.
Nonetheless . . .
I have been away from home this week, but I did train on the erg Monday through Thursday and anticipate training tonight. With my new themed 1k racing mentality, I did not seem daunted by the training I have done to race a 2k. I felt encouraged druing the sessions to train. I felt mild eager anticipation of training the next day following a training session. I did not feel overwhelmed by time constraints. I felt like I was making progress of getting faster on the erg and with maintaining and building on my physical strength and endurance.
The sessions I did were as follows:
Monday, 8 x 500m with 2' rest
Tuesday, 8 x 500m with 1' rest
Wednesday, 10 x 3' with 1' rest
Thursday, 10 x 3' with 1' rest
Perhaps in the past couple of years, I may have only done one or two sessions over a similar time frame. In one case I can distinctly remember, I did no rowing over a five day period. I felt during this week I did a volume of training that required excellent effort that moved me forward physically and mentally relieved me of the stress that I can create for myself when I am not reaching training goals (ie, completing sessions).
Yes-8
No-26
Niether-3
I am hoping about 100 people would want to have a vote.
Nonetheless . . .
I have been away from home this week, but I did train on the erg Monday through Thursday and anticipate training tonight. With my new themed 1k racing mentality, I did not seem daunted by the training I have done to race a 2k. I felt encouraged druing the sessions to train. I felt mild eager anticipation of training the next day following a training session. I did not feel overwhelmed by time constraints. I felt like I was making progress of getting faster on the erg and with maintaining and building on my physical strength and endurance.
The sessions I did were as follows:
Monday, 8 x 500m with 2' rest
Tuesday, 8 x 500m with 1' rest
Wednesday, 10 x 3' with 1' rest
Thursday, 10 x 3' with 1' rest
Perhaps in the past couple of years, I may have only done one or two sessions over a similar time frame. In one case I can distinctly remember, I did no rowing over a five day period. I felt during this week I did a volume of training that required excellent effort that moved me forward physically and mentally relieved me of the stress that I can create for myself when I am not reaching training goals (ie, completing sessions).
Thomas, I am not sure what you were thinking of doing as a result of this poll, but I am looking forward to the masters online championship you are considering for April.
I think one of the fun things about rowing is that I can train for all the distances, from a 500m sprint to a full marathon. I try to focus on improving one are at different times of the year.
So a dedicated annual race at 1000m would be a fun tradition to start. I wouldn't want it to replace also racing at 2000m at the official events the crash-b, but a 1000m race will be a nice change of pace in schedule.
I think one of the fun things about rowing is that I can train for all the distances, from a 500m sprint to a full marathon. I try to focus on improving one are at different times of the year.
So a dedicated annual race at 1000m would be a fun tradition to start. I wouldn't want it to replace also racing at 2000m at the official events the crash-b, but a 1000m race will be a nice change of pace in schedule.
M 51 5'9'' (1.75m), a once and future lightweight
Old PBs 500m-1:33.9 1K-3:18.6 2K-6:55.4 5K-18:17.6 10K-38:10.5 HM-1:24:00.1 FM-3:07.13
Old PBs 500m-1:33.9 1K-3:18.6 2K-6:55.4 5K-18:17.6 10K-38:10.5 HM-1:24:00.1 FM-3:07.13
???rowmyboat wrote: Exciting to watch, very competitive, a lot of fun and they are distances that more folk enjoy in the masters as they aren't as tough on the body for the older Master competitors.
Each to their own.....
I don't get it. I'm 83 and I would much rather do a 60' than a blasted 1K. Over the years I have found that my strength drops much more rapidly than my endurance. I have done 3 marathons since I turned 81 and my third one was my best by a tad over 3 minutes. Why do you consider distance to be so tough on the body? My own feeling is that the goddam sprints are a lot tougher. I have disliked them since my first one on the water in 1946.
Bob S.
Oooh, well that's telling me!!! :)
I think you'd be an exception for your age Bob if I may say so, just my opinion though. The sprints would definitely need the correct preparation if injury was to be avoided.
It would seem to me from the results in the rankings that the marathon is not a distance that the majority of older folk attempt to do.
I myself do everything from 100m to marathon, not sure which I prefer, they all present a different challenge, and all require a relevant mental attitude as well as either strength or endurance (or both).
I'm not an OTW rower and as a newcomer to the erg only a few years back I was enthused by all the different distances one could aim for and so attempted and have continued with them all.
I admire your continued effort with the marathon, I'm not so confident I'll still be doing them when I'm your age. I do hope though that I'll be able to continue doing the shorter distances albeit a little slower but whatever distance one aims for it's all in the hope of continued fitness and good health isn't it.
Kind regards,
Shirley
I think you'd be an exception for your age Bob if I may say so, just my opinion though. The sprints would definitely need the correct preparation if injury was to be avoided.
It would seem to me from the results in the rankings that the marathon is not a distance that the majority of older folk attempt to do.
I myself do everything from 100m to marathon, not sure which I prefer, they all present a different challenge, and all require a relevant mental attitude as well as either strength or endurance (or both).
I'm not an OTW rower and as a newcomer to the erg only a few years back I was enthused by all the different distances one could aim for and so attempted and have continued with them all.
I admire your continued effort with the marathon, I'm not so confident I'll still be doing them when I'm your age. I do hope though that I'll be able to continue doing the shorter distances albeit a little slower but whatever distance one aims for it's all in the hope of continued fitness and good health isn't it.
Kind regards,
Shirley
The idea behind the poll is to get an idea of what people like to do. From the research I have done on my own, most people who row the erg do not race at all. What I have seen are people who once rowed in high school and/or college when the distance on the erg was 2500 meters, are now older and see the race distance to be 2000 meters which creates a renewed interest, in particular of rowing a sub-6:00 time. It doesn't happen so, they lose interest, and stop altogether. Perhaps if the distance was shorter like 1,000 meters, a better goal of breaking a whole number time like 3-minutes would be more achievable for more people and keep more people interested even if they don't finish in the top 10 of a race.michaelb wrote:Thomas, I am not sure what you were thinking of doing as a result of this poll, but I am looking forward to the masters online championship you are considering for April.
I think one of the fun things about rowing is that I can train for all the distances, from a 500m sprint to a full marathon. I try to focus on improving one are at different times of the year.
So a dedicated annual race at 1000m would be a fun tradition to start. I wouldn't want it to replace also racing at 2000m at the official events the crash-b, but a 1000m race will be a nice change of pace in schedule.