Antti Varis New Marathon WR (M60)

[hjs]

On the other hand there is peoples word

Dream on.

I never dream, I look at facts. Herman Goring pulled a 700 plus deadlift before peds where around...... With 1 hand.


The fact you are a cheater only tells there are cheaters.

Re Dan staite, was not caught at erging but during a cycling race. And no his results where not super great, only very good.
But what gave him away was his performance jump, at a mature age after all ready been very trained.

Look on the gym, its very easy to spot once a guy goes on the peds. You see it in a few weeks time.

[JerekKruger]

I never dream, I look at facts. Herman Goring pulled a 700 plus deadlift before peds where around...... With 1 hand.

Minor correction, Hermann Goering was the head of the Luftwaffe in World War 2 and, though I have no proof, I suspect his deadlift was unremarkable. You mean Hermann Goerner

I've always found that lift pretty amazing. He must have had a ridiculous grip to hold onto it. Even someone like Jon Pall Sigmarsson (a four times WSM winner whose two-handed deadlift was quite a bit stronger than Goerner's) didn't come close one handed (250kg/551lbs).

[hjs]

I never dream, I look at facts. Herman Goring pulled a 700 plus deadlift before peds where around...... With 1 hand.

Minor correction, Hermann Goering was the head of the Luftwaffe in World War 2 and, though I have no proof, I suspect his deadlift was unremarkable. You mean Hermann Goerner

I've always found that lift pretty amazing. He must have had a ridiculous grip to hold onto it. Even someone like Jon Pall Sigmarsson (a four times WSM winner whose two-handed deadlift was quite a bit stronger than Goerner's) didn't come close one handed (250kg/551lbs).

First name was right

Point was, just yelling peds... when someone does something.

Other example, keeping it German, Jesse Owens, 10.0 on clay 100m. 1936 pre peds.

[Dangerscouse]

I totally agree with Henry. There are always outliers in any sport and we're now so cynical that we can't seem to accept they do still exist, albeit they are relatively rare but the Jesse Owens is a great example.

As another example, Ed Moses never tested positive for any drugs either and he was totally invincible for 10 years. He has got such integrity that I'm convinced he was clean, not least as he was involved in setting up drug testing programmes.

[JerekKruger]

I totally agree with Henry. There are always outliers in any sport and we're now so cynical that we can't seem to accept they do still exist, albeit they are relatively rare but the Jesse Owens is a great example.

I can understand why people are cynical given the number of scandals there have been but I agree that there definitely are some people who are just that bit more gifted than anyone else. I saw a TED talk where the speaker claimed that were Owens to have run on a modern track and used starting blocks he would have come a close second to Usain Bolt in the 2013 world championships 100m.

[hjs]

I totally agree with Henry. There are always outliers in any sport and we're now so cynical that we can't seem to accept they do still exist, albeit they are relatively rare but the Jesse Owens is a great example.

As another example, Ed Moses never tested positive for any drugs either and he was totally invincible for 10 years. He has got such integrity that I'm convinced he was clean, not least as he was involved in setting up drug testing programmes.

Indeed, thats not saying doping is not big, look at the woman wr track and field, almost 100% dope records. But without any proof yelling right away. Bizar.

Apart from topguys, we all met people who had amazing talents at school or sportsclub. The very best are outliners who can do things which seem almost impossible.

Re Hurdling Moses, Kevin Young... Wr for years now, look at that race, look at that build, has nothing to do with peds. Freak of nature.

[Gammmmo]

Kevin Young... Wr for years now, look at that race, look at that build, has nothing to do with peds. Freak of nature.

I'd never heard of that guy being so young
...just looked at his 46.78WR from 1992 - he looks pretty "rangey" shall we say. Record still stands - next best Ed Moses at 47:02!!

[hjs]

Kevin Young... Wr for years now, look at that race, look at that build, has nothing to do with peds. Freak of nature.

I'd never heard of that guy being so young
...just looked at his 46.78WR from 1992 - he looks pretty "rangey" shall we say. Record still stands! Next best Ed Moses at 47:02!!

Freak, count his strides.... Nobody ever did that. Seen him do a 200m hurdles also. Rare odd distance but man does strides...