How good? New to rowing after jogging and lifting weights.

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How good? New to rowing after jogging and lifting weights.

Post by geekysports.com » November 21st, 2007, 6:26 pm

Hi! I am very new to rowing. After a long run in the Netherlands I had a big blister and I searched for an alternative sport. Now I rowed 12 times in total on a concept2 rowing machine and was able to achieve this result for my first attempt to row an hour:

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I don't really understand the online rankings. There are so many sources. Can someone tell me where I'm at? I guess I'm able to improve this time. What is a normal workout? I'm 23 years old and category heavy witght I guess.

Would be really great! Best Regards from Germany

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Post by Nosmo » November 21st, 2007, 7:09 pm

You are better then about 80% of the people in your category in the US online rankings which is very good for a novice. Doing an hour after 12 times on the machine is impressive.

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Post by geekysports.com » November 21st, 2007, 7:14 pm

thank you very much!!! I was active in sports before (weights, running, cross trainer) but I didn't thought that I would be able to achive reasonably good results so early.

Somehow this Concept2 becomes addictive to me...
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Re: How good? New to rowing after jogging and lifting weight

Post by Bob S. » November 22nd, 2007, 12:59 am

geekysports.com wrote: I don't really understand the online rankings. There are so many sources. Can someone tell me where I'm at?
Markus
?? Many sources?? There is one source:

http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/rankings.asp

It may get quoted a lot elsewhere, but that is the official C2 ranking list.

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Post by RowtheRockies » November 26th, 2007, 4:34 pm

Markus,

Your time and distance for the hour is very impressive especially since you have only rowed about 12 times. You sound as though you are already highly trained aerobically so improvements will mainly come from improved technique as well as the rowing specific muscles strengthening and adapting to the movement.

You said you think you are HWT. What is your weight and height? You asked a question on another thread about how many sessions you should do per week based on an hour of rowing. I would suggest you do some reading on the Pete Plan, Wolverine Plan or the Interactive Plan to get an idea of how to structure your training. If your goal is general high level of fitness what you are doing will work just fine but if you want to target the standard distance of 2K, your plan should be structured around that. The Pete Plan, Wolvering Plan and Interactive plan will all help with that.

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Post by geekysports.com » November 26th, 2007, 4:43 pm

Hi Rich,

first: thank you very much for this excellent answer! I will search for the plans you wrote down and see which one suits best for me.

The main "problem" is that I still want to sustain my current muscle mass and if I row everytime I'm in gym this is going to be very tough.

Again, thanks! Have a nice week.

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Re: How good? New to rowing after jogging and lifting weight

Post by larkl » January 16th, 2008, 5:43 pm

I had a similar experience. I'm a lightweight woman, I was not in especially good aerobic shape when I started to row last summer, on a magnetic rower which is a different feel from the concept 2. I don't have a car though and I often carry up to about 50+ pounds on the back of my bike, and I live in a very hilly place. So my legs are pretty strong I think. I'm 48.
So after I'd been working out for a couple of months or so on the concept 2, I tried a 500 m sprint. I'd tried a 2000 m sprint, I started out much too fast, and I got tired and quit after about 500 m. So then I rested about 20 minutes and I did the 500 m sprint. Don't do this, I think it's not a good idea. But, my time was in the top 25% of the lightweight women. Probably I could do still better if I did the 500 m when I was rested.
And for the 30 minute distance I'm also better than 75th percentile, in the lightweight women. I was in the top 1/3 of the lightweight women at the 30 minute distance without even trying to row it especially hard.
My 2K time isn't as good compared to the other lightweight women. Maybe because I haven't trained for that sprintish distance. I'm not doing it as hard as I can, but pretty hard.
But it was surprising to see how well I'm doing. I do work out quite hard, whenever I've rowed next to someone else as the gym I've always been going at a faster pace/500 m. Except for one very heavily built guy when I was just starting.
I don't know if I'm talented at it. I've never been seriously athletic, but always mildly athletic.
I think a lot of people in the online rankings may not be trying very hard. A lot of women have a kind of ladylike attitude about working out, they just don't try hard. Especially with weights I've seen this, it's kind of like "I'm not going to lift anything heavy, weights are not for me". So they do a few reps with something very light. If I lift weights I lift the heaviest one I can do 1 or 3 reps with. For years I've always been able to work up to an unassisted chinup pretty easily, just by doing one in stages every morning. So I would do an unassisted chinup - from what they so wonderfully call a "dead hang" - once/day. I haven't been able to work up to an unassisted chinup recently - maybe because I haven't been getting much protein. So I've been working on the assisted chinup machine at the gym, trying to get my chinup back.
But most women don't care if they can do a chinup. I have kind of a challenging attitude about using my body, an "I'm strong, I can do it" attitude. A lot of people would dismiss the idea of carrying 50 pounds on their bike up a hill, without even thinking about it (you carry that kind of weight in a car!)
My supposed max heart rate for aerobic workout is 149. I abandoned any idea of conforming to that a long time ago :) I can work out for half an hour or so with my heart rate at 170 or more, though that's quite a hard workout. A lot of women would adhere to the formula max.
I was working out on the ellipticals at the gym for a while and I would be the only one who was really breathing hard, a lot of the time! I couldn't understand why people would go to a gym to work out, and not really work out?
It's not just women of course, lots and lots of guys don't work out very hard either. One guy I know had an exercise-is-dangerous and bad attitude, he castigated people who bike with their dogs because he thought it was too hard for the dog! Dogs think running with a bike is positively yummy, they don't get enough exercise usually. He seemed to think of exercise as a kind of abuse unless it's very gentle.
I haven't had any trouble with getting fat as I've gotten older, anyway. I think using my body this way is part of it.
Also, a lot of people in the online rankings are probably using bad form. Nobody just gets on a rowing machine and naturally rows right, apparently. If they're rowing with bad form they'd be overusing their upper body and getting too tired, and otherwise not using their muscles well.
So those are my guesses about why it's so easy to do really well in the online rankings. It's certainly very encouraging, it feels nice to be in the top 1/4.
Laura

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Post by Rocket Roy » January 17th, 2008, 4:59 am

Keep going Laura and enter the WIRC next year. Also I expect too see you in the top 5% soon, then number 1 ....
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Post by larkl » January 24th, 2008, 7:01 pm

Rocket Roy wrote:Keep going Laura and enter the WIRC next year. Also I expect too see you in the top 5% soon, then number 1 ....
It would certainly be wonderful if I turned out to have a real gift for rowing - But I don't think that easily making it into the top 1/4 means anything like that - that's what I was saying, that I think just being intense about rowing, learning fairly good form, and having an Amazon psychology takes you a long ways.
My legs have noticeably gotten massive since I've started rowing and my body has bulked up. It's nice to have a more solid body. I was getting very slender in a way I didn't like - losing muscle with age. It's great to have muscles like a young woman again.
And I live in this city Ithaca which has a lot of streetnuts and people who are slightly crazy - going around on my bike I encounter them more, that's one reason people like cars, they're shelter ...
The other day I ran into one of the streetnuts who was trying to block my way, a big fat guy with a giant belly - So after a short conversation with him, he was still blocking my way, I just blurted out "Get out of my WAY, ***hole" and charged forwards. He did.
Rowing and rowing hard and getting athletic seems to enable this attitude :) I don't feel so vulnerable.
Markus' running and weightlifting is apparently a good combination to train for the rowing machine.
Laura

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Post by Steve G » January 31st, 2008, 8:10 pm

geekysports.com wrote:Hi Rich,

first: thank you very much for this excellent answer! I will search for the plans you wrote down and see which one suits best for me.

The main "problem" is that I still want to sustain my current muscle mass and if I row everytime I'm in gym this is going to be very tough.

Again, thanks! Have a nice week.

Markus
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20k+ in 75 minutes + the other screen shots, fantastic stuff. You are already at a superb level.
Good Luck
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Post by ancho » February 1st, 2008, 6:50 am

Markus, I didn't see this thread before!

Nice going, keep it on!

How's your 5-minute challenge doing?

Ah, and LOVE your blog!

Cheers,

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