Age categories, USRowing--again
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Age categories, USRowing--again
Some of you may remember my effort two years ago to add three age categories to World Rowing and US Rowing. I failed completely with World Rowing, but with your support we were successful in having the following three age groups added to US Rowing's Master age categories for indoor rowing:
L. 90 to 94, M. 95 to 99, N. 100 and over. And K was changed to 85 to 89 from 85 and over.
A proposal now being considered by US Rowing would delete all three of those categories, thus making 85 and over the last category again.
The period for feedback on rule change proposals closes on October 31, 2024.
Feedback should be emailed to: Hugh.McAdam@USRowing.org.
To view the proposed rule change, go to USRowing.org, scroll down to "News" and click on September 30, 2024, "2025
Proposed Rules of Rowing Changes".
There are two proposed changes concerning classification by age. Only one is of current concern. The rule proposed to be changed is: 11.402
Classification by Age, e) Master.
My reason for strongly opposing adoption of the proposed rule change is my main reason for proposing the adoption of categories L, M and N-fairness. It is clear that the athletic capability required for competing in indoor rowing diminishes with age, and I can personally assure you that that is especially true in the nineties. It is unfair to require those in their nineties to compete against those in their eighties. The number of those treated unfairly by deleting categories L, M and N is small. But obvious unfairness is not removed by noting that the number of those so treated is small--especially when the unfairness is so easily remedied.
The only reason cited in the proposal for accepting the proposed rule change is that it would align indoor categories with those currently governing on the water rowing. But there are two ways to bring about the desired alignment. Since the reasons for favoring retaining the L, M and N categories apply as much to Masters OTW rowing as to indoor rowing, my recommendation is obvious--add those categories to the rules governing Masters OTW rowing. I will make such a proposal in the next round of proposals.
I hope Hugh McAdam hears from some of you. Bob Sleigh
L. 90 to 94, M. 95 to 99, N. 100 and over. And K was changed to 85 to 89 from 85 and over.
A proposal now being considered by US Rowing would delete all three of those categories, thus making 85 and over the last category again.
The period for feedback on rule change proposals closes on October 31, 2024.
Feedback should be emailed to: Hugh.McAdam@USRowing.org.
To view the proposed rule change, go to USRowing.org, scroll down to "News" and click on September 30, 2024, "2025
Proposed Rules of Rowing Changes".
There are two proposed changes concerning classification by age. Only one is of current concern. The rule proposed to be changed is: 11.402
Classification by Age, e) Master.
My reason for strongly opposing adoption of the proposed rule change is my main reason for proposing the adoption of categories L, M and N-fairness. It is clear that the athletic capability required for competing in indoor rowing diminishes with age, and I can personally assure you that that is especially true in the nineties. It is unfair to require those in their nineties to compete against those in their eighties. The number of those treated unfairly by deleting categories L, M and N is small. But obvious unfairness is not removed by noting that the number of those so treated is small--especially when the unfairness is so easily remedied.
The only reason cited in the proposal for accepting the proposed rule change is that it would align indoor categories with those currently governing on the water rowing. But there are two ways to bring about the desired alignment. Since the reasons for favoring retaining the L, M and N categories apply as much to Masters OTW rowing as to indoor rowing, my recommendation is obvious--add those categories to the rules governing Masters OTW rowing. I will make such a proposal in the next round of proposals.
I hope Hugh McAdam hears from some of you. Bob Sleigh
Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
It would take USRA almost no effort to keep these age categories. Why limit competition/participation in any way? Isn't age a part of USRA's stated goal of inclusivity? Further, the rationale that indoor and outdoor age categories should match is lame: They are very different athletic endeavors. In the future, I may feel less comfortable on the water. I would still like to have an indoor competition option, against my peers.
Thanks to Bob for bringing this up. I will send a more detailed note to Mr. McAdam at USRA.
Thanks to Bob for bringing this up. I will send a more detailed note to Mr. McAdam at USRA.
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Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
Here is an improved road map to the proposed rule change, which I oppose, and hope you do as well.
Go to USRowing.org. Insert "2025 Proposed Rules of Rowing Changes" in the search bar on the home page.
Follow the directions to an index to the proposed changes.
Go to page 18. 11-402 Classification by Age, (e) Master.
When you reach the proposed text note that categories L, M and N have been deleted.
Go to USRowing.org. Insert "2025 Proposed Rules of Rowing Changes" in the search bar on the home page.
Follow the directions to an index to the proposed changes.
Go to page 18. 11-402 Classification by Age, (e) Master.
When you reach the proposed text note that categories L, M and N have been deleted.
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Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
Some with whom I have spoken suggested that retaining the age categories L, M and N, as I recommend, would perhaps add to the number of events required at a regatta. No. Each event ('flight', as it is often called) at the typical indoor regatta may consist of a number of races going on at the same time. This is usually the case with flights composed primarily of those in the upper age categories. Suppose we have a flight composed of those from 50 to 100. Every person in that flight will be racing in an age category covering only five years except those from 90 to 100, if the proposed elimination of categories L, M and N is accepted.
Totally unfair. And what is the downside of eliminating this unfairness by retaining the categories L, M and N? Perhaps a small amount of clerical work, a small sum to pay for awards, and--the only consideration noted in the proposal to eliminate those categories--some abstract notion of the importance of alignment with current OTW categories.
Totally unfair. And what is the downside of eliminating this unfairness by retaining the categories L, M and N? Perhaps a small amount of clerical work, a small sum to pay for awards, and--the only consideration noted in the proposal to eliminate those categories--some abstract notion of the importance of alignment with current OTW categories.
Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
That is a strange stance to just make a big "and the rest of you" group.
Late response, but i've also dropped your man an email to oppose the change. GL!
Late response, but i've also dropped your man an email to oppose the change. GL!
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Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
CRASH-Bs has just put information online relevant to registration for the competition to take place on February 16, 2025, although actual registration is not yet available.
I had counted on CRASH-Bs to follow its practice of 2023 and have at least these two age categories for 90 year olds, i.e. 90-94 and 95 and up.
No such luck. The last age category list by CRASH-B currently is 85 and up.
I am extremely disappointed.
You know my views. I think that this is egregiously unfair.
I had counted on CRASH-Bs to follow its practice of 2023 and have at least these two age categories for 90 year olds, i.e. 90-94 and 95 and up.
No such luck. The last age category list by CRASH-B currently is 85 and up.
I am extremely disappointed.
You know my views. I think that this is egregiously unfair.
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Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
There were two goals with respect to retaining age categories for ninety-year-olds this season.
The first was to convince US Rowing to reject a proposed rule change abolishing those categories from the current rules.
The second goal was to convince the CRASH-Bs to add those categories to the list currently on display on its website.
I am pleased to write that the Commodore of the CRASH-Bs has assured me that the relevant additions are forthcoming.
With respect to the first goal--I'm holding my breath.
The first was to convince US Rowing to reject a proposed rule change abolishing those categories from the current rules.
The second goal was to convince the CRASH-Bs to add those categories to the list currently on display on its website.
I am pleased to write that the Commodore of the CRASH-Bs has assured me that the relevant additions are forthcoming.
With respect to the first goal--I'm holding my breath.
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Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
Good news and fingers crossed for US RowingR.C. Sleigh wrote: ↑December 5th, 2024, 9:51 amThere were two goals with respect to retaining age categories for ninety-year-olds this season.
The first was to convince US Rowing to reject a proposed rule change abolishing those categories from the current rules.
The second goal was to convince the CRASH-Bs to add those categories to the list currently on display on its website.
I am pleased to write that the Commodore of the CRASH-Bs has assured me that the relevant additions are forthcoming.
With respect to the first goal--I'm holding my breath.
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Re: Age categories, USRowing--again
That's great news Bob, not only for current 90+ athletes but for those of us who will eventually age into the older groups and hope that the categories are there for us.R.C. Sleigh wrote: ↑December 5th, 2024, 9:51 am
I am pleased to write that the Commodore of the CRASH-Bs has assured me that the relevant additions are forthcoming.
With respect to the first goal--I'm holding my breath.
I've been fortunate enough to personally witness the only two (so far) 100+ championship erg participants. First John Hodgson at the British Indoor Rowing Championship in 2011, then Dottie Stewart at CRASH-Bs in 2023. To say that they were inspirational would be a gross understatement. Both spectators and fellow athletes watched with great interest and gave thunderous ovations both during and at the completion of their 2Ks. Why anyone would want to eliminate such participation in the future is truly baffling.
55-59: 1:33.5 3:19.2 6:55.7 18:22.0 2:47:26.5
60-64: 1:35.9 3:23.8 7:06.7 18:40.8 2:48:53.6
65-69: 1:38.6 3:31.9 7:19.2 19:26.6 3:02:06.0
70-74: 1:40.2 3:33.4 7:32.6 19:50.5 3:06:36.8
75-76: 1:43.9 3:47.7 7:50.2 20:51.3 3:13:55.7
60-64: 1:35.9 3:23.8 7:06.7 18:40.8 2:48:53.6
65-69: 1:38.6 3:31.9 7:19.2 19:26.6 3:02:06.0
70-74: 1:40.2 3:33.4 7:32.6 19:50.5 3:06:36.8
75-76: 1:43.9 3:47.7 7:50.2 20:51.3 3:13:55.7