Nonathlon reset

[Cyclingman1]

Nonathlon needs resetting for 2018 season.

[rowmyboat]

It usually takes a few weeks Jim. It will happen. They are busy people too.

[Cyclist2]

I realize it takes some time, no problem, but I've dropped one spot already from someone posting a time AFTER May 1 that went on the 2017 results. Who can I sue?

[rowmyboat]

The neighbour's dog.

[Cyclingman1]

Reset for 2018 season.

[Citroen]

PaulH has been a bit busy this week dealing with the http://c2forum.com breakage. The Nonathlon for 2017/2018 should switch in soon.

[iain]

Noticed that the "target times" for the nonathlon for me (54 Lwt) have tumbled and I lost 73 points. I appreciate that the new benchmarks are merely reflecting the faster best times achieved since the last update and are presumably updated for all the competitors so should not have a significant impact on the relative performance of the different entrants for this year. However I like to use the nonathlon not so much to compare myself to others, but as a way to compare my current performances to myself in previous years. Indeed FS has a "Metanonathlon" which compares this years points with those for the same event last year. In many cases achieving the target of matching last years nonathlon points will now require a faster time despite being a year older. The fact that some others have performed better than others of their age have ever been recorded doing doesn't make me faster! In addition, I like to set targets of the number of points achieved on each event and the requirements have just changed and so some distances where I had achieved my goal on the previous target are now shown as falling short, very demotivating, especially so late in the season when there is little chance to improve on all of the affected distances.

Just my twopennyworth. I am very greatful of the hard word to create and maintain the nonathlon and wouldn't be without it. But it would be good to get a consistent approach to updating for future seasons or at least have a warning of the likely timescale.

Many thanks

Iain

[Cyclingman1]

73 pts is not as bad as my 126 pts lost. And that is less than the pts lost for the last two yrs. As much as I appreciate the nonathlon guys and their scorings, I have suggested to them that they do their target numbers in May and leave them alone for the entire season. They seem to be receptive to that.

A whole other concern is how they come up with their target scores. Reading their explanation is only partially satisfying. One can look at rankings and world records and really wonder if their calculations/curve fittings/etc accurately reflect those times. When I see a target score change for 2K that has a pace nearly 5 sec faster than the prev target with minimal changes in ranked times, I begin to think something is amiss. Outlier times should not be given a lot of weight for calculating targets.

[HornetMaX]

Just FYI (yeah, I'm a bit off topic here) I've created my own stuff, similar to the Nonathlon.

You can read a short description in this thread (mostly, last post): viewtopic.php?f=17&t=207581&start=15#p573358

You can find the files of the past seasons here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

As deadline for logging 2023-24 results is tomorrow, I'll soon fetch the entire 2023-24 season and produce the updated tables (will appear in the above google drive folder).

[Cyclingman1]

Hate to be the dense one, but I have no idea what I'm seeing and certainly not how to use and understand all of this. Somehow what you have presented needs to be made less, way less, obscure.

[HornetMaX]

Hate to be the dense one, but I have no idea what I'm seeing and certainly not how to use and understand all of this. Somehow what you have presented needs to be made less, way less, obscure.

Hi, I'm assuming the above is in reply to my post. As said, almost everything is explained in this post: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=207581&start=15#p573358

But I can try again:

1. In the google drive folder https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing, let's take folder named 2023: this is the now complete 2022-23 season containing all the ranked results of the c2 logbook. In it you have 3 subfolders named "RowErg", "SkiErg" and "RowErg_and_SkiErg". Let's focus on rowing stuff, so folder "RowErg".
2. In folder "2023/RowErg" you have plenty of .csv files, the first one is: C2R-S2023.csv.R-TheBigSplit-F-H.csv
   1. C2R-S2023 indicates the season the data refers to (in this case 2022-23)
   2. R R for RowErg (S for SkiErg, RS for RowErg_and_SkiErg)
   3. TheBigSplit is the multi-event type (see point 4 below)
   4. F for female
   5. H for heavyweight
   Notice that if the weight (H or L) is missing it means you're looking across any weight. Same for gender: no F or M means across any gender.
3. There are 4 "multi-events":
   1. TheCore: included events at 2k, 5k and 10k.
   2. TheSmallSplit: included events are 1k and HM.
   3. TheBigSplit: included events are 500m and FM.
   4. TheFullRange: included events are 500m, 1k, 2k, 5k 10k, HM and FM.

The first few lines of the file "C2R-S2023.csv.R-TheBigSplit-F-H.csv" are:

Code: Select all

Pos,UserID,Name,Gender,Age,Country,Weight,r500,r42195,TotalScore,TotalScoreNME
1,1535835,Sandrine Joannier,F,45,FRA,H,782.0,864.0,1646.0,1646.0
2,1510533,Katlyn Taueetia,F,34,USA,H,823.0,810.0,1633.0,1633.0
3,1391310,Nardia Guillaumier,F,46,AUS,H,839.0,764.0,1603.0,1603.0
4,1317523,Shannon Wilhelm,F,54,CAN,H,759.0,793.0,1552.0,1552.0

First line is the headers line, others are data.
In 2022-23 season, limited to heavyweight females, Sandrine Joannier has logged (and ranked) a 500m rowing worth 782.0 points (column "r500") and a full marathon rowing worth 864.0 points (column "r42195") for a total of 1646.0 points (second to last column, "TotalScore"). She's the #1 heavyweight female in the "TheBigSplit" multi-event (500m + Full Marathon).

So basically: decide which multi-event you're interested into, decide if you want to look at your specific gender and weight category (or not) and get the corresponding .csv file. Open in in a text editor and look for your name (better userID, that's your c2 logbook ID) and see where you are.

Any clearer now ?

[iain]

My comment was in relation to https://www.nonathlon.com/ , the long standing multi-event virtual competition running throughout the season for decades.

[Cyclingman1]

Any clearer now ?

I finally accessed the files, though I know nothing about Excel. I found my name in a fullrange, M file with a row of numbers. I have no idea what those numbers represent. Some sort of ranking seems to be implied - based on what, how calculated? C2 rankings and nonathlon rankings are easily understood, so what is this scheme telling me?

[HornetMaX]

I finally accessed the files, though I know nothing about Excel. I found my name in a fullrange, M file with a row of numbers. I have no idea what those numbers represent. Some sort of ranking seems to be implied - based on what, how calculated? C2 rankings and nonathlon rankings are easily understood, so what is this scheme telling me?

You don't need excel, a simple text editor will do (just to look). It's very similar to the Nonathlon ranking pages.

Each column has a self-explicative name on the 1st line.
Each line (after the 1st header one) is for an athlete.
1st column ("Pos") is your position in the ranking.
After the column "Weight" you have one column per event and in that column you see the points your time in that event gave you.
The penultimate column is "TotalScore": this is the sum of all your points in the considered events or ZERO if you haven't logged a ranked sessions in each considered event.
The last column is "TotalScoreNME" (NME for Non Mandatory Events) and is the sum of all your points in the considered events (even if you haven't logged a ranked result in each considered event).

The ranking is done with TotalScore first, TotalScoreNME after.

[Cyclingman1]

After the column "Weight" you have one column per event and in that column you see the points your time in that event gave you.
The penultimate column is "TotalScore": this is the sum of all your points in the considered events or ZERO if you haven't logged a ranked sessions in each considered event.
The last column is "TotalScoreNME" (NME for Non Mandatory Events) and is the sum of all your points in the considered events (even if you haven't logged a ranked result in each considered event).

Yeah, I see the points. How are points arrived at? Obviously, it is not the actual time for an event. Like I asked before, how are points calculated? For me now, they basically mean nothing. If I get 1000 points in nonathlon, I know what that means. If the points are based on time, then obviously the lists would be from younger to older, but they are not.