Childish behavier.

[Carl Watts]

Thanks all, but don't just post here if you want it to change, e-mail Concept 2 as well and make it happen.

[Slothful1]

This I agree with.

As do I. Verify, filter, eschew megalomania!

Moi aussi! (That makes 3 Forum Flyers)

The thread subject starts with "Childish", and I do agree with my esteemed colleagues, so let's go for four Forum Flyers in a row...

[DavidA]

I don't think it would be difficult to change, but at the moment one can only verify distances/times for the ranking distances/times. So, for instance, when I did my 50 k a month or so, I got the verification code from my machine, but I can't verify the row in the logbook, because 50 k isn't a ranked distance.

David

I know for a fact that Erg Data sync to logbook will verify unrankable times and distances, interval workouts, and even just rows. IIRC, V-code will do the same. BICBWrong.

ErgData sync may do that, but if you enter your data manually, it doesn't allow you to.
I often row 40 or 45 minutes, or other non-ranked times, and if you go to the logbook you will see that there is no way to enter a verification code. For my 1 h rows, for instance, the verification code field shows up. So you may get a completely valid code for any row, but can be unable to enter the verification code for it.

David

[johnlvs2run]

C2 please remove this man from the rankings.
https://log.concept2.com/profile/863525

I agree. He's normally quite slow, hardly does any meters, and is purposely cheating.

[johnlvs2run]

Carl is absolutely correct. I’ve been arguing a similar point on Facebook for years.

You've been arguing that it's okay to cheat???

I know the BikeErg and SkiErg can easily be rigged just by throwing a towel over the flywheel and cutting off all the air, which then disrupts the calculations. I can generate sub 1:10 splits for the effort of about 2:30 pace on both my bike and skier just by doing this. Haven’t tried it on the rower yet.

In regards to the Skierg, I'm relatively sure that you're also wrong about that. However, to check and make sure, I tossed a towel over the Skierg fan this morning, and all it did was lower the drag factor, but didn't make the exercise any easier. Perhaps you could do a 2k on the Skierg and see if you can break 5:30 or so, at a 2:30 effort of course, and then report back the results. I'm curious as to why your particular Skierg would be any different than other C2 Skiergs and rowing machines.

[left coaster]

How disappointing, I was truly hoping Captain Watts was on the juice!

His cape flying, paper and leaves blowing in every direction, tree huggers lined up to charge their ebikes!!!

So sad.....

[Carl Watts]

How disappointing, I was truly hoping Captain Watts was on the juice!

Yeah I gave my good friend Lance a call and he said
I could use the good stuff he used for years or else I could use my brain instead.

[CaseyClarke]

Carl is absolutely correct. I’ve been arguing a similar point on Facebook for years.

You've been arguing that it's okay to cheat???

I know the BikeErg and SkiErg can easily be rigged just by throwing a towel over the flywheel and cutting off all the air, which then disrupts the calculations. I can generate sub 1:10 splits for the effort of about 2:30 pace on both my bike and skier just by doing this. Haven’t tried it on the rower yet.

In regards to the Skierg, I'm relatively sure that you're also wrong about that. However, to check and make sure, I tossed a towel over the Skierg fan this morning, and all it did was lower the drag factor, but didn't make the exercise any easier. Perhaps you could do a 2k on the Skierg and see if you can break 5:30 or so, at a 2:30 effort of course, and then report back the results. I'm curious as to why your particular Skierg would be any different than other C2 Skiergs and rowing machines.

John, no. I haven’t argued that it’s okay to cheat. Where exactly do I say this? I’ve noticed, on more than one occasion, that you take random snippets of a conversation and piece them together to form very odd conclusions.

I’m not wrong about the towel thing on the SkiErg. It works. Perhaps you didn’t fully cover the flywheel properly? There’s multiple threads on the Facebook SkiErg page about this issue. I’m happy to post photos or do a video for you if you want/need to see how it’s done.

[Carl Watts]

Johns the slow guy trying to get his results weight adjusted to the nearest kg so he looks fast.

Talk about me being on a Quest !

Probably time to lock this thread, my point has clearly been made in a response I received from Concept 2 today.

If the verification doesn't come in now it will be here within 10 years as a default with technology change and the older generation no longer rowing, its just a great shame that we have to wait that long when it could be implemented before the start of the next season.

Carl.

[Allan Olesen]

I’m not wrong about the towel thing on the SkiErg. It works.

I am puzzled by this. The obvious reason that you can cheat a BikeErg but not a RowingErg is that the rowing erg has a coasting period for every stroke, and during this coasting period, the PM can re-verify the drag.

The BikeErg doesn't have these coasting periods if the user is pedalling continuously. Consequently, the PM will have to assume that the drag is still the same as it was when last verified.

But I would have assumed that the SkiErg also had a coasting period for each stroke. Or are the users chaining their left/right strokes so seamlessly that this coasting doesn't occur?

[hjs]

I’m not wrong about the towel thing on the SkiErg. It works.

I am puzzled by this. The obvious reason that you can cheat a BikeErg but not a RowingErg is that the rowing erg has a coasting period for every stroke, and during this coasting period, the PM can re-verify the drag.

The BikeErg doesn't have these coasting periods if the user is pedalling continuously. Consequently, the PM will have to assume that the drag is still the same as it was when last verified.

But I would have assumed that the SkiErg also had a coasting period for each stroke. Or are the users chaining their left/right strokes so seamlessly that this coasting doesn't occur?

Rower works the same, cover it up and you “pull” Wr, make sure not to injure yourself, you pull against almost nothing.

[Allan Olesen]

Rower works the same, cover it up and you “pull” Wr, make sure not to injure yourself, you pull against almost nothing.

No, it doesn't work the same. You can change the damper setting during a row session, and the PM will pick up the change and still show true power.

There is no difference to using a towel and using the damper. The damper lever is not connected to the PM, so the PM doesn't know that the lever was moved. It only knows that it now measures another drag factor than it did just before.

[Citroen]

That's it we're done with this.