Maraton World Records

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 4th, 2006, 12:54 pm

calonius wrote:I personally do not believe too much in sophisticated technique discussions around the erg. Of course you often find and see a really poor technique if you watch around in gyms. With poor technique I mean the situation where the rower is exhausted rowing 36spm but the monitor shows over 3.oo min splits since only the seat is moving up and down. Most of us learn in a short while how to create pressure on the handle and get the chain moving. That is enough for most of us to get ready even for a competition. On water rowing is another story. This is my opinion. You better ask your coach, he might be wiser than me

Excellent advice, Arno, thank you very much for adding your perspective.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 4th, 2006, 12:56 pm

calonius wrote:I don't think that Antti Varis has followed a specific training plan for erging but I could try to find out.

Hi Arno,

I would be happy to see Antti's training program, whether for the erg or for skiing.

calonius · Post by **calonius** » April 4th, 2006, 2:25 pm

Thanks Ben for encouraging. I don't believe Antti would improve too much after a technique camp in Florida

Seriously, I have thought about making a short interview with him if possible. John, I will report if I found out anything.
The questions will be mine .... Will not accept any suggestions

Rockin Roland · Post by **Rockin Roland** » April 4th, 2006, 7:00 pm

John Rupp wrote:Poor technique = breaks world records.

Good technique = Roland.

Ranger is one prominent example of breaking World Records with poor technique. You don't have to look pretty to row fast on a C2 erg.

Although my times aren't in World Record territory I also find that I can get better results on the erg by using different technique than what I use in the boat. I know that there are many on water rowing coaches out there that believe that only on water rowing technique will get you good results on the erg. But I believe these guys are incorrect. It could be because these guys have never really achieved much on the erg themselves because their focus has always been on the water. Perhaps they haven't experimented with different techniques on the erg.

Either way, the C2 erg is NOT A BOAT even with slides under it.

Rockin Roland · Post by **Rockin Roland** » April 5th, 2006, 11:48 pm

whp4 wrote:
Rockin Roland wrote: That pretty much sums it up. You can get away with poor technique on a C2 erg because unlike a Rowperfect erg, the C2 erg doesn't punish poor technique (until you do your back). His background is cross country skiing, so that explains his exceptional power endurance and very ordinary rowing technique.
Roland,

would you care to comment on the difference between Rowperfect and a C2 on slides?

Bill

This link explains the differences between a C2 and Rowperfect erg. There are also 4 very good diagrams supporting their description. Slides are a tacky after thought to fix the original C2 design flaw (should have been floating instead of fixed from the very start).

http://www.rowperfect.com.au/fixed_vs_d ... achin.html

Rowperfect have a patent which is now probably preventing C2 from making their erg the ideal boat simulator that they set out to make when the Model B was first being conceived.

cbrock · Post by **cbrock** » April 6th, 2006, 8:42 am

Roland,
Is the southern cross irc doing the CTC challenge.
I seem to remember you had something to do with it previously.

Regards,
Chris

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 6th, 2006, 12:23 pm

Rockin Roland wrote:Rowperfect have a patent which is now probably preventing C2 from making their erg the ideal boat simulator that they set out to make when the Model B was first being conceived.

Warren Berger made a dynamic erg == with fixed seat -- from a c2 model b and that is nothing like the rowperfect. I think he has a patent on the conversion of it.

Apparently he contacted c2 about this quite a long time ago and they showed no interest. I contacted Warren and he is quite interested in the design but has no backing from c2 on development.

http://www.rowvelo.com/images/p1S.jpg
http://www.rowvelo.com/images/p2S.jpg
http://www.rowvelo.com/images/p3S.jpg

Personally I would love to convert an erg this way, though Warren said it was quite difficult to do when one does it from scratch. A kit would make it quite feasible, and could be done for all of the c2 models, b, c, and d.

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » April 6th, 2006, 12:36 pm

And up we go!

Warren on one of his RowBikes.

http://www.rowvelo.com/video/both_hill.mov

http://www.rowvelo.com/

There was one of him on his dynamic erg but I'm not sure where it is.

Rockin Roland · Post by **Rockin Roland** » April 6th, 2006, 6:36 pm

John Rupp wrote:And up we go!

Warren on one of his RowBikes.

http://www.rowvelo.com/video/both_hill.mov

http://www.rowvelo.com/

There was one of him on his dynamic erg but I'm not sure where it is.

I've seen pictures and videos of rowing erg bikes before but don't know much about whose behind their construction. It's a great idea that would appeal to blokes like me that hate staring at three or four walls when working out.

Rockin Roland · Post by **Rockin Roland** » April 6th, 2006, 7:00 pm

cbrock wrote:Roland,
Is the southern cross irc doing the CTC challenge.
I seem to remember you had something to do with it previously.

Regards,
Chris

I'm still with Southern Cross IRC and if you received last month's C2 Australian Newsletter you would have seen the article I wrote about the club. I won't be doing the CTC challenge myself but I'm sure other members that rack up big meters will. In between my numerous on water rowing sessions I'm doing some online Rowpro workouts with some fast European ergers eg. 3 X 2000m on Sat. at 8 GMT to spice things up.

I have to do some road testing of version 2 RowPro before my next article for the C2 newsletter in Oz.

Alissa · Post by **Alissa** » April 6th, 2006, 7:15 pm

Rockin Roland--Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:00 pm wrote:I'm still with Southern Cross IRC and if you received last month's C2 Australian Newsletter you would have seen the article I wrote about the club.

Do they post pdf's of their newsletter so that we can see? --if so, can you post a link (I looked, but didn't find...)?

Nice to talk to a published author!

How cool!

Alissa

canoeist · Post by **canoeist** » April 10th, 2006, 10:07 pm

I remember seenig Tore Foss from Norway rowing at CRASH-B and easily dominating the 50+ heavyweight event. He rowed with his hands between his knees the entire time. Some people would call this poor technique. It seems to be perfect technique for Tore. His method works well for long distance rowing too as he managed to go under 2:30 in the marathon at age 48. Maybe the rest of us have piss poor technique and that is what is holding us back?

Cheers,

Paul Flack

ranger · Post by **ranger** » June 5th, 2006, 9:50 pm

Ranger is one prominent example of breaking World Records with poor technique. You don't have to look pretty to row fast on a C2 erg.

Hey, this is history, Rockin' Roll on.

I really look pretty now.

Enough of this poor technique stuff.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » June 5th, 2006, 9:52 pm

It will make a difference, too.

Instead of breaking WRs by four seconds, I will be breaking then by 24 seconds!

ranger

hjs · Post by **hjs** » June 6th, 2006, 3:27 am

ranger wrote:
Ranger is one prominent example of breaking World Records with poor technique. You don't have to look pretty to row fast on a C2 erg.
Hey, this is history, Rockin' Roll on.

I really look pretty now.

Enough of this poor technique stuff.

ranger

The clip made of you this year, did hurt our eyes.

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