Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
I'm relatively new to this sport. Got a model d just before Christmas done just over 500k on it, thinking of attempting the full marathon in May. Anyone else attempting it for the first time, or done it before and have any tips?
Am I biting off more than I can chew?
Am I biting off more than I can chew?
Know as Dougie, Or Trigger to others.
35----- 202lbs (91kgs) 5' 10"
2k 6:53.5
5k 17:51.6
10k 37:36.8
HM 1:27:57
FM 3:12:29
1h- 15,550
35----- 202lbs (91kgs) 5' 10"
2k 6:53.5
5k 17:51.6
10k 37:36.8
HM 1:27:57
FM 3:12:29
1h- 15,550
- jackarabit
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
Did my first FM April 7. Completed at least 6 HMs in the previous 2 years. Attempting to do something without adequate preparation (in this case ignoring the desirability of training an intermediate distance) and quite probably failing to finish holds no appeal for me. However, you are not me and may be able to do it cold and finish.
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- Carl Watts
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
All depends on pace. If your using the pace predictor to come up with a time based on your other PB's and you try and hit that then its REALLY REALLY hard. If you just want to sit there all day and just yank the chain now and again its a whole lot easier, anyone can do it.
Pretty much I wanted sub 3 hours from the start. Only completed the one FM, no real plans to do another !
Helps to do alot of training, if you can bash out a string of back to back daily HM then it helps. Also helps alot if you have done heaps of low rating training. Was not going to break any records but did mine at 18spm and it helped not having to fly up and down the slide as well as taking on fluids without stopping.
Pretty much I wanted sub 3 hours from the start. Only completed the one FM, no real plans to do another !
Helps to do alot of training, if you can bash out a string of back to back daily HM then it helps. Also helps alot if you have done heaps of low rating training. Was not going to break any records but did mine at 18spm and it helped not having to fly up and down the slide as well as taking on fluids without stopping.
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
I agree with Jack. Most people who have decided to run/erg a marathon will train over shorter distances for some time before tackling it.Ponte.red wrote:I'm relatively new to this sport. Got a model d just before Christmas done just over 500k on it, thinking of attempting the full marathon in May. Anyone else attempting it for the first time, or done it before and have any tips?
Am I biting off more than I can chew?
(personally I have avoided it completely!)
Nothing wrong with trying a FM of course but as Carl says it depends a bit on what pace you want or whether you just want to finish.
It also depends on what your general fitness is like and whether you have an endurance background.
if you want to do it "well" then you should prepare first doing one hour and HM pieces as well as some shorter ones such as 3x 5km/2'r and the like just to keep pace up and improve fitness. There are a lot of adaptions for butt/glutes and hands that training for it will help. You also need to prepare for proper hydration and the like as well as seat padding.
There are a lot of marathon discussions on the training thread here and also on the ISS site in the UK where there is a full training guide.
http://indoorsportservices.co.uk/traini ... thon_intro
Just search for first marathon here will give you lots of insight and info (and some diversions as well such as http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=117185)
Lindsay
72yo 93kg
Sydney Australia
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PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2, 60' 15368m
72yo 93kg
Sydney Australia
Forum Flyer
PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2, 60' 15368m
Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
I do them every now and again.
I did want to do one a month, but they just are nasty.
My first was in Jan this year @2:58, now down to 2:52 - target is a FM @2:00/500m pace.
I will do one in May for the event, but a more relaxed one, I have yet to complete one without a break tho. Last one was 2 hrs @2:00 then stop and drink, stretch.
Preperation ?
I usually do 4-5 HM a week, so I'm used to long sessions, mostly at sedate paces (ut2_ 2:05_2:08- heart rate sub 135), but have been known to hit 1:20....
I would recommend not setting a target for the first just to finish. Sit and grit it through. Get up and stretch, plenty of fluids,a few media distractions; music, video etc.
As motivation you can watch the YouTube video of that gut doing a FM. @ sub 7 speed (1:45/509m)
I did want to do one a month, but they just are nasty.
My first was in Jan this year @2:58, now down to 2:52 - target is a FM @2:00/500m pace.
I will do one in May for the event, but a more relaxed one, I have yet to complete one without a break tho. Last one was 2 hrs @2:00 then stop and drink, stretch.
Preperation ?
I usually do 4-5 HM a week, so I'm used to long sessions, mostly at sedate paces (ut2_ 2:05_2:08- heart rate sub 135), but have been known to hit 1:20....
I would recommend not setting a target for the first just to finish. Sit and grit it through. Get up and stretch, plenty of fluids,a few media distractions; music, video etc.
As motivation you can watch the YouTube video of that gut doing a FM. @ sub 7 speed (1:45/509m)
Dean
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
Thanks for all the response.
In terms of training, I've done 2 HMs and 4 1hr sessions, completed the HM in 1:27, but did take a lengthy break.
I think my best bet is definitely to get another 2 of them in before the attempt. I would like to set a time but I think I'd just end up grinning and bearing it through to the end.
Biggest problem I seem to have is the pains and numbness in my backside and my legs rather than tiredness. So if anyone has any tips stop/reduce that please let me know. Or is it more of a, the more you do the less it happens??
Thanks again
In terms of training, I've done 2 HMs and 4 1hr sessions, completed the HM in 1:27, but did take a lengthy break.
I think my best bet is definitely to get another 2 of them in before the attempt. I would like to set a time but I think I'd just end up grinning and bearing it through to the end.
Biggest problem I seem to have is the pains and numbness in my backside and my legs rather than tiredness. So if anyone has any tips stop/reduce that please let me know. Or is it more of a, the more you do the less it happens??
Thanks again
Know as Dougie, Or Trigger to others.
35----- 202lbs (91kgs) 5' 10"
2k 6:53.5
5k 17:51.6
10k 37:36.8
HM 1:27:57
FM 3:12:29
1h- 15,550
35----- 202lbs (91kgs) 5' 10"
2k 6:53.5
5k 17:51.6
10k 37:36.8
HM 1:27:57
FM 3:12:29
1h- 15,550
Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
I did my first in march of 2000 my time was 3:28:29 and included 26 minutes of rest. I did several shorter pieces (5 to 7k) with 2 to 5 minute rest periods to stand and stretch, drink etc. I had trouble walking for several days and swore I would never do it again, I haven't. I did a 1/2 marathon this morning that is more than enough.
Fred Dickie
Fred Dickie
Fred Dickie
66 yo 173cm 103kg
Medical issues behind me, I hope to race again this year
66 yo 173cm 103kg
Medical issues behind me, I hope to race again this year
Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
For me the FM is a mental exercise...the last hour is really hard, but manageable.
Hydrate and keep some honey close.
Mike from Oklahoma.
Hydrate and keep some honey close.
Mike from Oklahoma.
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100M: 16.2 | 500M: 1:31.1 | 1K: 3:22.4 | 2K: 7:11.2 | 5K: 19:56.8 | 6K: 23:47.4 | 10K: 41:34.7 | HM: 1:33:45 | 1:00.0: 344M | 4:00.0: 1140M | 30:00.0: 7,325m | 1:00:00.0: 14,103m | FM: 3:13:12 | 100K 8:56:56.9
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100M: 16.2 | 500M: 1:31.1 | 1K: 3:22.4 | 2K: 7:11.2 | 5K: 19:56.8 | 6K: 23:47.4 | 10K: 41:34.7 | HM: 1:33:45 | 1:00.0: 344M | 4:00.0: 1140M | 30:00.0: 7,325m | 1:00:00.0: 14,103m | FM: 3:13:12 | 100K 8:56:56.9
- jackarabit
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Re: Marathon?? Anyone attempting it.
I got by with 4-6 minutes of rest split between two stops-- one at 22k in and one at 32k. 2' is enuf to grab a bottle and a banana and--the thing that works for me--lying on floor with feet elevated for a minute to 1:30. Also wet the whistle one-handed at about 18k. Impact of that maneuver on pace is negligible as is the case of a runner drinking en route or a bikie slowing for a feed zone.
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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- hjs
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Thats not a problem, thats the right attitude. Anyone a bit fit can do a fm right away, if breaks are allowed, but to me that has nothing to do with really doing a fm. That would be, going for a personal good time, say hm plys 5 seconds. And ofcourse WITHOUT breaks. Break make it an interval session.remisture wrote:I'm hoping to get a marathon done in the next couple of months. Have done 5-6 HMs since christmas, but I guess thats a whole 'nother game. As Carl says, my problem is I want a "good" time, not just completing the piece
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My times for current best HM and FM compared to the ISS projected times from current 5k pace supports Henry's view of breaks. I took no breaks on my last HM of 2/25/2016 and finished 2'+ below projected (1:41:09.3 actual/1:43.22.5 projected). I took roughly 4-6' of breaks on FM of 4/7/16 and finished 2'+ over projected (3:41:54.8 actual/3:39:24.8 projected).
Agree with Lindsay on the value of the Marathon-specific training at Indoor Sports UK. Certainly more valuable than tips on seat pads and hydration formulas if you want to do FM at HM+5"!!! Mine @ HM+13.7" which supports the contention of some that I have nothing to live for and my contention that I do.
Agree with Lindsay on the value of the Marathon-specific training at Indoor Sports UK. Certainly more valuable than tips on seat pads and hydration formulas if you want to do FM at HM+5"!!! Mine @ HM+13.7" which supports the contention of some that I have nothing to live for and my contention that I do.
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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- hjs
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Its only my view Jack, the reason I never did a fm and only a few HM, the training I should do to complete a marathon should interfere a lot with my way of working out. Just paddling the meters would give me zero pleasure. I think doing a 4x10k with 1 min rest inbetween would be pretty doable.jackarabit wrote:My times for current best HM and FM compared to the ISS projected times from current 5k pace supports Henry's view of breaks. I took no breaks on my last HM of 2/25/2016 and finished 2'+ below projected (1:41:09.3 actual/1:43.22.5 projected). I took roughly 4-6' of breaks on FM of 4/7/16 and finished 2'+ over projected (3:41:54.8 actual/3:39:24.8 projected).
Agree with Lindsay on the value of the Marathon-specific training at Indoor Sports UK. Certainly more valuable than tips on seat pads and hydration formulas if you want to do FM at HM+5"!!!
We used to have a Forum flyer who rowed to raise money at public places. He erged beyond a fm on a daily basis. But at a very relax pace. Doing it that way is like easy cycling or walking, you can do it pretty much all day long after a while.
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I agree Henry. Every one of us should set a standard of performance for him/her self. ISS states that 50% of 2k watts should be within the capacity of the large majority of ergers with not a great deal of aggro. I agree as my 89W average is a bit less than 50% of my 182W 2k and I survived with no ill effects. I didn't choose a specific pace but I did choose to do a UT2 FM, an intelligent and rewarding decision in my case. Would I like to do a FM at 60-65% of 2k watts? Yes I would like to have done it but likely wouldn't like doing it!
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Yes, its a matter of balancing between what we would like to do and what would be wise to. Those are not often conflicting. But al least you got one injackarabit wrote:I agree Henry. Every one of us should set a standard of performance for him/her self. ISS states that 50% of 2k watts should be within the capacity of the large majority of ergers with not a great deal of aggro. I agree as my 89W average is a bit less than 50% of my 182W 2k and I survived with no ill effects. I didn't choose a specific pace but I did choose to do a UT2 FM, an intelligent and rewarding decision in my case. Would I like to do a FM at 60-65% of 2k watts? Yes I would like to have done it but likely wouldn't like doing it!
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The FM is a long row and you put in a lot of effort and to fail before the finish is a really big disappointment so you need to choose the pace carefully and your better off just to finish, especially on the first one you try. Just a second on your 500m pace can make all the difference. What makes it hard is that at the beginning it feels really easy !!! don't be fooled it gets harder and the last hour can be a killer.
I don't recommend taking a break, it totally stuffs your time. had to get off during mine when the doorbell rang and the Courier arrived. Spent the next hour catching up the guy that was rowing at my pace online, its very very hard even making up 60 seconds when you can only get a second or so back every 500m.
I don't recommend taking a break, it totally stuffs your time. had to get off during mine when the doorbell rang and the Courier arrived. Spent the next hour catching up the guy that was rowing at my pace online, its very very hard even making up 60 seconds when you can only get a second or so back every 500m.
Carl Watts.
Age:56 Weight: 108kg Height:183cm
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Age:56 Weight: 108kg Height:183cm
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