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*** DELETE - SPAM *** While Rowing

Post by marvy1 » March 6th, 2008, 11:28 pm

Hello - I get a little short of breath AFTER I finish rowing. I have done some research and found the problem is 'Exercise Induced Asthma'. I breath through my mouth when rowing and this causes the air that enters my lungs to be dry. In normal breathing through the nose, the sinuses ad moisture to the air.

This dry air cause the bronchial tubes in the lungs to spasm causing a mild cough and some shortness of breath after rowing.

Now the solution (I hope!). I just bought a *** DELETE - SPAM *** which I place near me when I row. I'm hoping this will bring the humidity up in the air and avoid the bronchial tube spasms.

What do you guys think? Should it make a difference?

Thanks! Marvin
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Post by johnlvs2run » March 7th, 2008, 3:42 am

Usually dry air is easier to breathe.

Perhaps you are overbreathing oxygen, which can cause the bronchials to spasm and shut down.

I've duct taped a rubber strip over the top front of the cage, to keep the air from blowing in my face.
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Post by TabbRows » March 11th, 2008, 9:37 am

Marvin,

I breathe through my mouth a lot too.

There's a device on the UK sight called PowerBreathe that may help you develop you lung capacity. But it's not cheap.

You may also want to work on your breathing technique. Lower your stroke rate down to 20-22 (or slower) while keeping close to your same split (a good way to practice technique too). Now try to breathe in a 2 cycle pattern, 1 inhale/1 exhale per stroke. Breath in on the recovery phase through your nose, getting a full breath by the time you're at the catch. Then exhale during the pull with final exhale at the finish. If you can exhale mostly through your nose that would be ideal. But that's also more difficult for us mouth breathers, so try just to exhale through you mouth but breathe in through your nose. For me, it's the rushing of air in and out that causes the dry mouth and forces me to breathe harder and feel out of breath at the end of a workout.
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Post by marvy1 » March 11th, 2008, 1:06 pm

Hello John and TabbRows - Thanks for your replies!

John, I am using a cool mist *** DELETE - SPAM *** and it really seems to help. My throat was dry previously. Now I can feel the difference. And I also drink water at 10 minute intervals.

TabbRows, I looked at the PowerBreathe device. Looks good. Thanks! I not sure my breathing technique is bad. But yes, I do breath through my mouth. Hence the dry air.

That's why I find the *** DELETE - SPAM *** a big help. Have you guys, or anyone tried using a *** DELETE - SPAM *** while rowing? It seems like a a solution for me.

Thank you! - Marvin
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Post by Nosmo » March 11th, 2008, 5:20 pm

marvy1 wrote:Hello John and TabbRows - Thanks for your replies!

John, I am using a cool mist *** DELETE - SPAM *** and it really seems to help. My throat was dry previously. Now I can feel the difference. And I also drink water at 10 minute intervals.

TabbRows, I looked at the PowerBreathe device. Looks good. Thanks! I not sure my breathing technique is bad. But yes, I do breath through my mouth. Hence the dry air.

That's why I find the *** DELETE - SPAM *** a big help. Have you guys, or anyone tried using a *** DELETE - SPAM *** while rowing? It seems like a a solution for me.

Thank you! - Marvin
If it helps keep using it! No reason not to (as long as you don't do something stupid like make your room so humid you grow mold).
I row outside early morning almost all the time and it is often foggy so I often rowing in very humid conditions. It is not big deal although I think I notice I am slightly faster when it is dryer.

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Post by johnlvs2run » March 11th, 2008, 8:32 pm

Personally I absolutely hate *** DELETE - SPAM ***.

I had asthma at age 3 and was forced to use a *** DELETE - SPAM ***, which made the condition worse and me miserable. I can well remember the misery that it put me through at that time, the only benefit that it taught me to breathe less, which I did to avoid breathing the moist air. Later, after the useless conventional treatments were abandoned, this practice helped me to get rid of the asthma on my own.

A couple of things to consider are that (1) perhaps the *** DELETE - SPAM *** is reducing the particulates in the air. There is a direct correction between the amount of particulates in the air and longevity. I have posted elsewhere about a hepa type fan-filter that I constructed for $26, always making sure the air flow is going away from one's breathing, not towards it. I don't use the fan-filter much, primarily as assist for blowing cold air towards the fireplace insert in the winter, however the back of it has turned from white to dark brown, an indication of the amount of particulates in the air.

The second thing is that (2) there is a reduction in breathing capacity with age, which is the primary determinant of performance decline with age, in athletic people. My personal feeling is that the condition of one's digestive system has a direct relationship with use of the diaphragm and lung function over time, and there is quite a bit that backs up this observation.
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Post by TabbRows » March 12th, 2008, 10:18 am

That's why I find the *** DELETE - SPAM *** a big help. Have you guys, or anyone tried using a *** DELETE - SPAM *** while rowing? It seems like a a solution for me.
Marvin, I live in Florida, I need a DE-*** DELETE - SPAM ***! :lol: And a double order of those super shammies advertised on TV just to mop up the sweat.
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Post by marvy1 » March 13th, 2008, 6:06 pm

John Rupp wrote:
I had asthma at age 3 and was forced to use a *** DELETE - SPAM ***, which made the condition worse and me miserable.
John - Was your humidier, when you were 3, a warm mist *** DELETE - SPAM ***? I remember the older humidiers were warm mist.

Mine is a cool mist. The cool mist makes the air around me almost feel like air conditioning. And I find my throat is not as dry when I finish.

So it seems to work for me.

Thanks - Marvin
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Post by johnlvs2run » March 13th, 2008, 7:14 pm

Hi Marvin,

I don't know what kind it was.

As a side note, I don't care for air conditioners either. :wink:

The air vents from the furnace were blowing dust around, so I got a fireplace insert 7 or 8 years ago and haven't used the furnace since then. I love the wood fire and it's so much better, plus surprisingly less expensive than the gas.
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Breathing Capacity

Post by johnac » March 13th, 2008, 9:40 pm

[quote="John Rupp"]Personally I absolutely hate *** DELETE - SPAM ***.

The second thing is that (2) there is a reduction in breathing capacity with age, which is the primary determinant of performance decline with age, in athletic people. My personal feeling is that the condition of one's digestive system has a direct relationship with use of the diaphragm and lung function over time, and there is quite a bit that backs up this observation.[/quote]

John, I have begun to wonder as my PB's inexorably climb what's doing it as I try to train as hard! Do you know where there's some accessible data / information on the correlation between breathing capacity and performance decline. I had imagined it might be linked with Oxygen transport to muscle tissue or something like that.?

Jack, Sydney Australia

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Post by johnlvs2run » March 17th, 2008, 1:17 am

johnac wrote:John, I have begun to wonder as my PB's inexorably climb what's doing it as I try to train as hard! Do you know where there's some accessible data / information on the correlation between breathing capacity and performance decline. I had imagined it might be linked with Oxygen transport to muscle tissue or something like that.?

Jack, Sydney Australia
Hi Jack,

I have quite a bit of general info but no particular data.

For example, that muscle function and performance at percent of maximum can be maintained with training.

There is supposedly a decline of maximum heart heart, blood flow, and lung capacity with age regardless of training; or the training and other factors that help to maintain them are not as well known.
bikeerg 75 5'8" 155# - 18.5 - 51.9 - 568 - 1:52.7 - 8:03.8 - 20:13.1 - 14620 - 40:58.7 - 28855 - 1:23:48.0
rowerg 56-58 5'8.5" 143# - 1:39.6 - 3:35.6 - 7:24.0 - 18:57.4 - 22:49.9 - 7793 - 38:44.7 - 1:22:48.9 - 2:58:46.2

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