Groin Pain when rowing--every time

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Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by legion_mp » October 30th, 2021, 10:50 am

Hi all,

This is my first post here so apologies if this is the incorrect board.

I bought the rower a few months ago. For the first 3-4 weeks all was well.

Now, each time I row when I approach 2k-3k my right groin starts to ache. It's really just a very sore pain, not a sharp one.

It's keeping me from rowing and there is clearly an injury there although basically the only thing it prevents me from doing is rowing, as I can still jog outside fine.

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Is there some kind of form error that is known to cause groin or hip issues that I could key in on?

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Dangerscouse » October 30th, 2021, 12:18 pm

I never heard of this, but do you row with your legs splayed? I always row with legs closed, not far off touching, so I'm surprised that you're getting groin pain.
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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by jamesg » October 31st, 2021, 5:27 am

Is there some kind of form error..
There are plenty of possible form errors, but afaik none connected with groin pain in posts seen here. Generic sites on "groin pain" refer to sports and also to a number of medical origins. If you wish to check your form as a way of excluding possible causes of injury, standard rowing style and rules can be seen here:

https://www.concept2.com/indoor-rowers/ ... que-videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf84O5cTWY4

Rowing and erging are a highly repetitive activities involving large forces, so a style - pain link is not impossible.
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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by max_ratcliffe » October 31st, 2021, 7:14 am

Pulling too hard on the footstraps can cause groin pain.

It's obviously quite difficult to tell a everyone is different, with a unique injury history and background, but that would be the first thing I'd check.

Try to keep your arms "long" for as long as you can and then make sure you are arresting your body drive by putting work into the chain rather than pulling on the footstraps.

Rowing strapless can help too, but it can increase the effort your core needs to put in and so aggravate the groin. Imo, wait until your groin has healed before trying strapless, and also make sure your technique is good enough that you don't just fly off the seat.
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Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7582m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=309m; 500m=1:42.4; 1k=3:35.3; 2k=7:43.8; 5k=20:35; 6k=24:35; 30'=7239m; 10k=42:09; 60'=13358m; HM=1:32:24

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Dangerscouse » October 31st, 2021, 8:43 am

max_ratcliffe wrote:
October 31st, 2021, 7:14 am
Pulling too hard on the footstraps can cause groin pain.

It's obviously quite difficult to tell a everyone is different, with a unique injury history and background, but that would be the first thing I'd check.

Try to keep your arms "long" for as long as you can and then make sure you are arresting your body drive by putting work into the chain rather than pulling on the footstraps.

Rowing strapless can help too, but it can increase the effort your core needs to put in and so aggravate the groin. Imo, wait until your groin has healed before trying strapless, and also make sure your technique is good enough that you don't just fly off the seat.
I never knew relying on the straps could cause groin strain, but it does make sense know that I think about it.

I don't think the OP has got an actual strain, as running isn't an issue and it's only after 2-3k, so maybe strapless is a good idea. Although as you say, it does need to be approached with caution to start with. I'm guessing that a stronger core will help take tension off the groin, and also having to row slower, and more gently, will help in the short term.
48 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Carl Watts » October 31st, 2021, 1:34 pm

Have you increased your pace over the last 3-4 weeks ?

Maybe you just need to give your body a chance to adapt to a new exercise.

Pretty sure if you slowed things down for a while the problem would go away, if it doesn't quit rowing for a week and restart at a slower pace. If the problem goes away you know its pace related.
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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by legion_mp » October 31st, 2021, 8:08 pm

Hi all,

Thank you very much for the replies.

I will try pretty much everything suggested in this thread.

I do have soreness lasting in the groin but it really doesn't stop me from doing much other than rowing which is quite odd. I haven't tried an all out running sprint, perhaps it would impact that.

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by legion_mp » November 11th, 2021, 9:18 pm

HI all,

Rowed again today for the first time since this post.

Tried to keep my knees together(more together), tried to stay long armed as long as possible, and i rowed strapless.

No pain today, but I only did 2k. Plan to do 3-4k soon to see if the pain stays away with these tips.

Is rowing strapless a training cue, or just a different way to row?

Thanks!

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Ombrax » November 11th, 2021, 9:34 pm

I do 99.999% of all of my rowing strapless. Some folks say there are down sides, and there are if you're going insanely hard at a very high stroke rate, but I very rarely do that, so in my case I see no reason to not do it unless I'm going for a PB (which I rarely do).

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Dangerscouse » November 12th, 2021, 1:56 am

legion_mp wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 9:18 pm
HI all,

Rowed again today for the first time since this post.

Tried to keep my knees together(more together), tried to stay long armed as long as possible, and i rowed strapless.

No pain today, but I only did 2k. Plan to do 3-4k soon to see if the pain stays away with these tips.

Is rowing strapless a training cue, or just a different way to row?

Thanks!
Good to hear that.

Like Ombrax, unless I know I'm going over r26 and/or doing a TT, I'll row strapless. I find that it helps subconsciously keep your core girdle braced better for the row, mainly as you will fly off the back of the erg if you don't centre your gravity and control your core strength properly.

It's only quite a subtle tension, but, ime, it does help, and I can't see any reason not to do it. Although there's no compelling reason for me to try and convince someone to definitely do it either, so just do what feels best.
48 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by legion_mp » November 12th, 2021, 2:17 pm

Rowed strapless again today. Got 2k in and the groin soreness started to come back.

Strapless rowing is much harder for me, especially in the core so I think that I will continue to do it to try to build needed stability on the rower.

I will also try to keep this thread open about my groin issue both for new ideas and for anyone on google etc. in the future with this issue.

My current idea is perhaps my core is so weak that I am spending x% of my rowing time in a poor position that is aggravating my groin.

Also don't want to assume that rowing will solve the issue on its own, so I am putting more of a focus on hip/groin strength and flexibility with yoga and some weights(separately of course) .

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Dangerscouse » November 12th, 2021, 4:40 pm

legion_mp wrote:
November 12th, 2021, 2:17 pm
My current idea is perhaps my core is so weak that I am spending x% of my rowing time in a poor position that is aggravating my groin.

Also don't want to assume that rowing will solve the issue on its own, so I am putting more of a focus on hip/groin strength and flexibility with yoga and some weights(separately of course) .
If you do a sedentary / desk job, you will also need to strengthen your glutes, as well as your core girdle. I'd highly recommend Pilates if you can do it.
48 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by jamesg » November 13th, 2021, 2:35 am

Got 2k in and the groin soreness started to come back.
don't want to assume that rowing will solve the issue on its own, so I am putting more of a focus on hip/groin strength and flexibility with yoga and some weights
Have you excluded a medical origin?

If on the erg you use the slide, make sure your knee and hip angles do not close completely at the catch. This is done using the hands-swing-slide recovery sequence. A frontstop might help, about 40 cm from your heels.

Erging with this specific rowing style avoids issues and uses the legs to provide almost all you need in terms of flexbility, endurance and strength.

The straps are there for stability and safety. At training ratings (18-20) and with standard style, there's little need to pull on them; rail slope and chain tension are almost enough.
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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by davrc » November 23rd, 2021, 6:15 pm

I had groin pain for a long time and it turned out to be arthritis in my hip. I realize I’m much older than you, so it may be unlikely to be your problem but I thought I’d throw it out there. The pain went away after my hip was replaced.

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Re: Groin Pain when rowing--every time

Post by Parky » November 26th, 2021, 1:06 pm

I had the same problem last year. My beer belly forced me to splay my legs. I now make sure I keep my knees in between my elbows and have no more aches. My 2 little mates feel the benefit too. :oops:
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