C2 Cardio close to treadmill?

[carlb]

Carl,
Are you saying the Sigma monitor works via the "Polar" pickup with a PM3 (or in my case a PM2)?

Yes, the Sigma belt is picked up by the $25 PM3 Heart Receiver, and at the same time by the Sigma watch so I can get it's current % of max HR, Workout avg and max HR plus % in 3 zones. I think almost every non-ANT HR belt broadcasts using the Polar signal, my Suunto T3 does.

The thing I like about the PM getting the HR is its graphed by RowIt and RowPro; otherwise, the watch stats are more interesting.

I'll have to check to see if the Garmin ANT belt also sends a Polar signal.

Re buying PM3 or PM4 I just saw this "If I were buying a new rower I'd go for a model D with a PM4. The PM3 isn't being enhanced. C2 have stated that there'll be no new features on a PM3." which I agree the PM4 has a better future.... but PM3 will work just fine... and they did enhance PM3 with "Undefined Rest" but you have to have a newer one that probably has a newer processor.

[lazyguy]

To answer my own question.

I ordered a c2 D, on Amazon on the 8th, late at night.

I was already using it on Friday the 11th.
Can't believe how fast it was delivered!!

I think it will do the trick!

Started out with 5 minutes at 140 watts to get used to the machine.
You don't realy feel like you are working, but when I got off my heart rate was 100.

Sat went to 160 watts for 8 minutes and H/rate was up to 112.
At little more and I'll be where I need to be.

I need to spend a little time reading, so I understand what everything means on the monitor.

I have a friend who's a little crazy. Takes every exercise to FAR extremes.
He used it last night for 8 minutes at 240 watts on #8 (fan), he was trying to say the c2 was too wimpy, but he was having trouble maintaining 240 at the end. And this was only for 8 minutes!

I think the c2 will work well for what I want it for.


Dave S.

[slwiser]

Dave

Your a runner wanting aerobic workout to keep your base in place. Keep you goals in mind and focus on what you need for your running.

That is unless you desire to refocus yourself on Indoor rowing over running. Indoor rowing is very different as a competitive sport; much more like running sprints compared to endurance running.

[carlb]

Started out with 5 minutes at 140 watts to get used to the machine.
You don't realy feel like you are working, but when I got off my heart rate was 100.

If you hit the Change Units button you can see Pace/500 which is what most people here talk about, e.g. 2000m at a pace of 2:00/500 takes 8:00.

5 minute Warmup might be 2 min at 2:30-2:40/500, then 10 strokes hard @ 2:15, 10 easy @ 2:25, 10 harder @ 2:10, 10 @ 2:25, 5 harder @ 2:00, then finish out 1000m at 2:25, stretch, begin workout.

A lot of math to predict pace is based off watts, then converted back into pace/500. There are converters on the website.

[johnlvs2run]

I got the weslo cadence 450 treadmill from walmart 8 years ago for $300.

It has been used very morning, and is still running great.

I have done no maintenance on it at all, except recently oiled the deck.

If/when it burns out, I'll just go walmart and get another one for $300.

I rowed more than a million meters on the C2 models B C and D.

Between those and a treadmill, I'd rather have a treadmill and also mostly run outside, which is free.

The reason a treadmill is better is because you're alternating your legs, and the cadence is higher.

i run at 174 strides per minute barefoot on the treadmill.

There is no one who approaches that rate on a rowing machine.

Being able to alternate your legs when exercising is extremely important.

[carlb]

Between [rowers] and a treadmill, I'd rather have a treadmill and also mostly run outside, which is free. The reason a treadmill is better is because you're alternating your legs, and the cadence is higher.

It comes down to goals. I have no desire to run fast 10k times or row races. Mine is just to exercise for health, to stay in shape. Cardio is primary, but a close second is to build muscle.

Look at the picture in your blog of Olympic 5000m run Champion John Ngugi. His upper body is atrophied and he could be confused for a starvation victim. That's what it takes to be a fast distance runner, if that's your goal.

Look at pictures of olympic rowers. They have upper, midsection and lower body strength. If I'm just exercising for fitness then I want to work towards the muscles and shape of a rower.

[johnlvs2run]

If rowers are so strong, then why do they have to sit down to exercise.

[Bob S.]

If rowers are so strong, then why do they have to sit down to exercise.

Because we are lazy.

Bob S.

[teddythebeer]

If rowers are so strong, then why do they have to sit down to exercise.

Powerlifters lay down to exercise, you know, for a bench press. Those weaklings!

[hjs]

If rowers are so strong, then why do they have to sit down to exercise.

To stay below the wind

[ausrwr]

If rowers are so strong, then why do they have to sit down to exercise.

If we're just going to make these comparisons, let's fight it out.

For mine, best distance runner of all time is Haile Gebreselassie.
Best rower of all time: Pertti Karpinnen.

Geb at 5'2" and 100lbs or so, vs. Karpinnen at 6"7" and 220 plus. Neither of the two are particularly violent, so I'd pick: Karpinnen to corral Geb into a corner and sit on him.

Rowers win. (so says 215lbs of non-runner...)

[johnlvs2run]

I'd pick: Karpinnen to corral Geb into a corner and sit on him.

That's what I'm saying, rowers are better suited for sitting. : )

Seriously though, a 20 y/o is better suited than an 80 y/or to carry an extra 100 pounds down the street.

[ausrwr]

I think there's something to that. I'll be surprised if I still weigh 220 (as I was this morning) at 65. Even if your bone structure's solid, I'd be thinking that for real life, there's probably a weight limit...

[hjs]

If rowers are so strong, then why do they have to sit down to exercise.

If we're just going to make these comparisons, let's fight it out.

For mine, best distance runner of all time is Haile Gebreselassie.
Best rower of all time: Pertti Karpinnen.

Geb at 5'2" and 100lbs or so, vs. Karpinnen at 6"7" and 220 plus. Neither of the two are particularly violent, so I'd pick: Karpinnen to corral Geb into a corner and sit on him.

Rowers win. (so says 215lbs of non-runner...)

G is 5.4 and 123 (1.65m/56kg)

He could simply run away, no doubt he is faster