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Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 6th, 2020, 8:02 pm
by autumn_darkness
Hola :D

I am just starting to ski(erg) and I have a question..

I am a runner and I always was a runner so I started to feel like a t-rex because all my training went into my legs.. I bought a Skierg so I could balance out my training and use my upper body some. But when I go skiing with intensity it still feels like my legs are getting most of the pain (and so I asume most of the training). What am I doing wrong?

All respect, GRiM :)

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 7th, 2020, 12:23 pm
by mict450
Hmmm, this is strange, since the skierg is predominantly an upper body exerciser. Post a video of yourself using the skierg on YouTube & attach the link here for evaluation. Also, try sitting on a chair to take your legs out of it.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 7th, 2020, 12:42 pm
by hjs
autumn_darkness wrote:
June 6th, 2020, 8:02 pm
Hola :D

I am just starting to ski(erg) and I have a question..

I am a runner and I always was a runner so I started to feel like a t-rex because all my training went into my legs.. I bought a Skierg so I could balance out my training and use my upper body some. But when I go skiing with intensity it still feels like my legs are getting most of the pain (and so I asume most of the training). What am I doing wrong?

All respect, GRiM :)
Its the triceps, lats/midback and truck that drive the stroke.

The lower back and legs are used when you recover.

It could be, that you being a runner and not so strong in your upperbody use a very squat dominant stroke, by that
I mean not a shallow squat with a goodmorning movement, but a more upright one with a deeper squat, if so that have your legs working more.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 9:13 am
by mict450
You haven't told use what damper setting you're using.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 9:45 am
by NoWatts
That’s the style I try to copy, quite some leg movement involved.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-NkYCJ9we ... knfqhfoxyw

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 10:02 am
by mict450
Definitely xc skier style. Very nice.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 3:47 pm
by kini62
NoWatts wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 9:45 am
That’s the style I try to copy, quite some leg movement involved.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-NkYCJ9we ... knfqhfoxyw
In reality there is very little leg work going on in that. At most it's a very shallow squat, maybe 1/5-1/6. The legs are only stopping the downward momentum and are not used in generating power. The power comes from the hips on up.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 6:04 pm
by NoWatts
kini62 wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 3:47 pm
NoWatts wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 9:45 am
That’s the style I try to copy, quite some leg movement involved.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-NkYCJ9we ... knfqhfoxyw
In reality there is very little leg work going on in that. At most it's a very shallow squat, maybe 1/5-1/6. The legs are only stopping the downward momentum and are not used in generating power. The power comes from the hips on up.
I don’t see a squat, i see calfraises with and all the additional muscles like quadriceps and glutes working to extent the body while keeping tension in the abs to reach the proper catchposition. Then the drop with the pull, crunch, goodmorning movement almost simultaneously. I agree with:
...stoping the downward momentum and are not used in generating power. The power comes from the hips on up.
Not directly used but used to get in the best catchpostion. At least i never thought about a squat while trying to learn the movement.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 7:10 pm
by johnlvs2run
NoWatts wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 9:45 am
That’s the style I try to copy, quite some leg movement involved.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-NkYCJ9we ... knfqhfoxyw
Is that you? My style is quite similar, except my arms are not bent as much but I think they're improving,
and I use the same kind of shoes! I feel the primary movers for me are my feet, legs, gluts and hips, followed
by my back, shoulders, arms and hands. From what I have seen on videos, the top cross country skiers do the same.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 8th, 2020, 7:25 pm
by kini62
johnlvs2run wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 7:10 pm
NoWatts wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 9:45 am
That’s the style I try to copy, quite some leg movement involved.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-NkYCJ9we ... knfqhfoxyw
Is that you? My style is quite similar, except my arms are not bent as much but I think they're improving,
and I use the same kind of shoes! I feel the primary movers for me are my feet, legs, gluts and hips, followed
by my back, shoulders, arms and hands. From what I have seen on videos, the top cross country skiers do the same.
That's because they're actually skiing. The skierg is not a XC ski simulator.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 9th, 2020, 2:22 am
by NoWatts
johnlvs2run wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 7:10 pm
NoWatts wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 9:45 am
That’s the style I try to copy, quite some leg movement involved.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA-NkYCJ9we ... knfqhfoxyw
Is that you? My style is quite similar, except my arms are not bent as much but I think they're improving,
and I use the same kind of shoes! I feel the primary movers for me are my feet, legs, gluts and hips, followed
by my back, shoulders, arms and hands. From what I have seen on videos, the top cross country skiers do the same.
Nooo, that’s not me :oops:.This guy’s steadystate is my maxpull :lol:. Sorry, I think my last sentence was a bit irritating being English not my first language.

I meant, I never saw the movement as a squat and i can feel my legs too a fair bit. At the end its the watts on the pm that counts.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 9th, 2020, 2:48 am
by hjs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94R5CmIt7QM

Here is Jason Marshall doing a sub6 2k. He is by far the best skierger overall. Fast from 500 to the full Marathon, has most overall Wr s. So he must do things pretty ok.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 9th, 2020, 5:15 am
by brookwaters
According to this guy, you predominantly feel it in your legs if doing it correctly. Just sayin’. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLE3Od5hOQ

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 9th, 2020, 5:28 am
by hjs
brookwaters wrote:
June 9th, 2020, 5:15 am
According to this guy, you predominantly feel it in your legs if doing it correctly. Just sayin’. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLE3Od5hOQ
He has no clue at all. Does not use the machine himself, it a rower with an untrained upperbody, pushing wise.

If this was true, with rowing you should feel it mostly in the abs, triceps and shoulders, cause they do the recovery :wink: and not legs, back and lats cause they “only” do the direct stroke.

Re: Skierg technique and muscles used..

Posted: June 9th, 2020, 5:56 am
by brookwaters
hjs wrote:
June 9th, 2020, 5:28 am
brookwaters wrote:
June 9th, 2020, 5:15 am
According to this guy, you predominantly feel it in your legs if doing it correctly. Just sayin’. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLE3Od5hOQ
He has no clue at all. Does not use the machine himself, it a rower with an untrained upperbody, pushing wise.

If this was true, with rowing you should feel it mostly in the abs, triceps and shoulders, cause they do the recovery :wink: and not legs, back and lats cause they “only” do the direct stroke.

So you’re saying a SkiErg COACH who works for Concept 2 and is a Nordic skiier has no clue at all? You’re really funny.